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Quran in Themes

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:26 am
by Veritas Aequitas
A Discussion on the Thematic View of the Quran:
Belinda wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 1:42 pm 1. What is Hell? Not all religious believe in Hell. Not all religious believe in a punitive God. Why not choose the useful bits of Koran that make for peace and prosperity.
What is most critical is this:
  • both Christians and Muslims must enter into a covenant [binding agreement, divine contract] with God with a promise of eternal life in heaven where the believers must comply with the terms of the agreement which are confined ONLY within the Gospels [not while Bible] and Quran.
    Thus the believer has a 'contractual' obligation to obey and comply with the terms of their agreement to gain a passage to heaven and avoid the terrible hell.
When a believer is in a binding agreement [Mithaq] with God, he cannot cherry pick bits and pieces in the Quran, but he must comply fully with whatever is dictated in the Quran that a believer is contractually obligated to comply with within his ability to do so.

I have done a full analysis of the 6236 verses within the Quran into >1400 themes.
One of the major theme is the soteriological themes of heaven or be doomed in hell which comprised more than 2000 related verses, i.e. >30%.

As such the main focus of being a Muslim according the Quran is for the desperate believer to go to heaven with eternal life and avoiding Hell.

The threat [fasadin] of Muslims going to heaven is from non-believers which are the infidels and there are >3400 verses related to the infidels and the majority are in the negative sense.

The main verse [there are loads of others] of dealing with threats from the infidels is Q5:33 where believers are permitted to kill non-believers upon the slightest threats [fasad] to the religion and the believers' passage to heaven and avoiding Hell.

Here is a rough list of themes from the Quran from this site:
https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ ... ook=q&id=2
It is not done with rigor and precision but it does give one an idea of what Islam represents:
  • Contradictions 273
    Absurdity 521
    Cruelty & Violence 545
    Injustice 781
    Intolerance 541
    Good Stuff 158
    Science 70
    Family Values 44
    Interpretation 25
    Women 78
    Sex 30
    Prophecy and Misquotes 3
    Language 2
    Politics -
    Homosexuality 6
    Boring stuff 30
Note the >500 verses related to Absurdity, Cruelty & Violence, Injustice, Intolerance as compares to the minimal verses of positive elements.
The above is a a crude analysis; I have analyze the negative verses in 000's.

The above is the reality where the believer is contractually bound to comply with what is in the Quran.

Bill Warner Phd analysis show the Islam's main texts are worse than Mein Kempt in terms of antisemitism:
https://www.cspii.org/learn-political-i ... cal-islam/

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I don't see how your,
"Why not choose the useful bits of Koran that make for peace and prosperity"
is practical.
It is impossible given that if the believer do not comply fully with the Quran, they risk going to hell.
2. Both Jesus and Muhammad were God's prophets. Both Jesus and Muhammad taught God's intentions for us through their lives and their works.
It is obvious with Jesus' "love all even enemies" but you cannot say the same with Islam as evident in the contractually-bound verses within the Quran.
3.Please refer to the qualitive difference between the greater and the lesser jihads.
What is 'jihad' is literally striving.
Jihad as practiced throughout their history is strongly associated with striving to get to heaven, avoid hell by complying with terms of the covenant and striving against the threats [fasad] from non-believers who are threat to the passage to heaven.

5. As 3.
Where 'Muslims' do kill humans upon any threat [fasad] to the religion as dictated in Q5:33, they are good obedient believers in complying with their contractual obligation as a believer.
6.Can any politicised religion unify the world! Again, see the enlightening difference between the greater and the lesser jihads. Christians can better understand the wisdom of Jesus when Christians also know the wisdom of Islam, some of which is in the Koran and some of which is in the Hadith
The concern is with the ideology not the believers.
Jesus' 'love all, even enemies' is moral, while Islam's Q:33 kill believers upon the slightest threat [fasad] is evil.
Rather, in the short term, Muslims should all convert to Christianity for the sake of peace on Earth so they will be influenced to 'love all, even enemies' as a contractual divine duty.

With the above, hope you will have a different view than your current view.

Re: Quran in Themes

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:55 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Notes: