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This observation experiment needs to be done from a Truly OPEN perspective, or in other words from a perspective of have NO pre-existing view, thought, knowledge, presumption, nor belief.

From just an observation ONLY what is 'seen' from the perspective of each of three observers?

Observer E - An observer on earth.

Observer T - An observer traveling from earth to planet B, and then back to earth.

Observer C - An observer on planet C, which is equal distance from earth and planet B, with the three planets in a triangle shape.


Observer T leaves earth with enough food and water for a trip to planet B, which is four light years away. There is also a clock in OT's [Observer T's] ship.

OE [Observer E] and OC [Observer C]also have clocks with them, on earth. The three observers also have telescopes with the ability to see a human being four light years away. This is just a 'thought experiment' and not about what was not yet capable when this was being written. The ship that OT is in is able to travel at the speed of light. Again this is just a though experiment.

Now, OT takes off from earth at say zero hundred hours 1 January 2025, which all three clocks are aligned with and to, and travels at the speed of light from take off.

So, what do each of the three observers 'see', and 'experience', when;

1. OT lands on planet B.

2. OT stays on planet B for one second, and then returns back to earth.

3. What is the time the three clocks are reading when OT is observed to land on planet B, leave planet B, and land back on earth, when considering that from take off to landing the speed of light occurs instantaneously.

4. How much has each observer aged at the three moments of landing on planet B, taking off from planet B, and landing back at earth.

Now, considering that just about all are IGNORING my words and views, here in this forum, there might not be any answers provided. But either way I will eventually express what I 'see' from these three different observers, which, in turn, will shine more light on what is actually irrefutably True, which will dismiss or refute some of the claims or theories that have been previously accepted.

So-called 'time dilation' is NOT what some people claim or believe it is.

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And it was responses like these that themselves EXACTLY WHY these human beings, BACK THEN, took SO, SO LONG to FIND and UNCOVER the ACTUAL Truth of things.

Now, considering that these two may well be likely to be the only ones who reply, here, to me;


It has taken OT four years to get to and arrive at planet B. The clock was observed to change by four years, and the fact that OT roughly woke up, slept, showered, ate, had haircuts, and went to the toilet, every 24 hours just as much as it did on earth, aligns with OT having also aged by four years. For the one second on planet B OT looks back at earth and observes the ship that it is in has just taken off. OT also observes OE more or less exactly like OT when OT left earth. So, although to OT four years has passed, looking back at earth it appears as though 'time' has only changed by one second. But four years has actually changed by four years to OT.

To OE it has had to wait eight years before OE can see the ship OT is in arrive at planet B. OE has aged eight years, and it appears as though it took OT eight years to travel the distance of four light years. While OE is observing OT for the one second OT arrives back on earth. Both OT and OE look like they have aged the same amount, although to OE it appears that OT arrived back on earth more or less instantaneously.

So, contrary to popular belief, in the days when this is being written, you human beings do NOT age differently traveling at different speeds. What actually happens and occurs is it only APPEARS as though what is some times referred to as 'time' changes. See, absolutely EVERY thing is relative TO the 'observer', and TO OT when it arrived at planet B and 'looks back' then it only APPEARS as though 'time' has 'stopped', when in fact what is called 'time' NEVER STOPS no matter how fast one is traveling, or not. ONLY 'relatively' to the speed one is traveling at does the 'amount of' so-called 'time' just APPEAR, ONLY, to change.

But, 'time', itself, is not 'a thing', as what is 'the time' when OT arrived at planet B?

I had no idea the Old Testament was so well travelled. Those Jews are amazing.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:25 am I had no idea the Old Testament was so well travelled. Those Jews are amazing.

Typical, either this one could, AGAIN, NOT COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND a VERY SIMPLY written out set of words, or it has AGAIN jusd PURPOSELY, 'tried to' DEFLECT, here, DECEIVINGLY.

Now, because the above counters and refutes so-called 'time dilation' and 'theories of relativity' some people might be thinking, or believing, that 'time dilation' has already been proved. However, there is quite a bit that those people, and others, have MISSED, here.

you human beings do NOT age differently depending on speed, nor on distance from earth. However, WHY there is a variance on clocks after they have been brought back together again from 'traveling', is solely because of 'direction' and nothing else.

For those who are interested and would like to discuss, then, by all means, let 'us' continue.

Not only is the Old Testament well-traveled, it travels really really fast. Like super fast. Interesting thought experiment.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:27 pm It has taken OT four years to get to and arrive at planet B. The clock was observed to change by four years, and the fact that OT roughly woke up, slept, showered, ate, had haircuts, and went to the toilet, every 24 hours just as much as it did on earth, aligns with OT having also aged by four years.

Not according to time-dilation. Planet B is 4 light-years away, for example if OT travels at 99.9% of the speed of light, then he will get there in 65 days from his perspective.

This is why GPS systems have to be adjusted regularly, the clocks of satellites in Earth's orbit run "faster" from the perspective of the ones on the planet.

Your head ages faster than your feet but the effect is too small to be noticable. Unless you're a bat I guess.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:57 am Not only is the Old Testament well-traveled, it travels really really fast. Like super fast. Interesting thought experiment.

Here 'we' have ANOTHER IDIOT who is completely INCAPABLE of JUST COMPREHENDING the SIMPLEST OF tasks, or who, ONCE MORE, ATTEMPTS TO DECEIVE 'others' to 'TRY TO' DEFLECT.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:27 pm It has taken OT four years to get to and arrive at planet B. The clock was observed to change by four years, and the fact that OT roughly woke up, slept, showered, ate, had haircuts, and went to the toilet, every 24 hours just as much as it did on earth, aligns with OT having also aged by four years.

Not according to time-dilation.

See I KNEW this one could NOT JUST COMPREHEND and FOLLOW the MOST SIMPLEST and BASIC OF tasks. For the rest the VERY SIMPLE TASK is SET OUT in the opening post of this thread.

What this one just did, here, is the VERY REASON WHY human beings take SO, SO LONG TO LEARN, and TO DISCOVER.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:14 am Planet B is 4 light-years away, for example if OT travels at 99.9% of the speed of light, then he will get there in 65 days from his perspective.

I SAID AT the speed of light. So, if your thinking can NOT STAY FOCUSED ON the task, then PLEASE REMOVE "yourself".

Now, Planet B is four light years away. So, OBVIOUSLY traveling AT the speed of light it takes four years to get to planet B. LOL I am NOT SURE HOW ANY one could NOT UNDERSTAND this Fact. Anyway, from OT's perspective HOW in what LOGICAL POSSIBILITY would it take ANY less than four years.

And, PLEASE do NOT just say 'because of time dilation' NOR something similar. EXPLAIN to the readers here HOW some one traveling for four years then, from their perspective, it would be LESS, EXACTLY.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:14 am This is why GPS systems have to be adjusted regularly, the clocks of satellites in Earth's orbit run "faster" from the perspective of the ones on the planet.

I KNEW some IMBECILE would bring 'this' up, here.

Now, LOOK AT the INSTRUCTIONS in the opening post, and then START AGAIN.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:14 am Your head ages faster than your feet but the effect is too small to be noticable. Unless you're a bat I guess.

YES I HAVE HEARD 'this' AS WELL.

LOL I have ALSO HEARD that God is a male, and that "he' created ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing. I have ALSO HEARD that the 'big bang' was the start of EVERY thing. I have ALSO HEARD that the Universe, Itself, began, and is expanding. I have ALSO HEARD that the earth is in the center of the Universe. I have ALSO HEARD that the earth is flat. However, unlike you I do NOT JUST BELIEVE what I HAVE HEARD.

Now, for those who would like to HAVE AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION, instead of JUST EXPRESSING YOUR 'current' HEARD or READ BELIEFS, here, then PLEASE let 'us' PROCEED.

The VERY REASON WHY clocks on earth orbiting ships/crafts have to be adjusted I will GET TO, SOON ENOUGH. But, I wrote out a 'thought experiment', WITH INSTRUCTIONS, FIRST, for a VERY SPECIFIC REASON and PURPOSE.

So, for those WITH the INTELLIGENCE TO, and WITH the DESIRE and WANT TO, FOLLOW those INSTRUCTIONS, then, I for One, would love to SEE your RESPONSES.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:20 am I SAID AT the speed of light. So, if your thinking can NOT STAY FOCUSED ON the task, then PLEASE REMOVE "yourself".

Now, Planet B is four light years away. So, OBVIOUSLY traveling AT the speed of light it takes four years to get to planet B. LOL I am NOT SURE HOW ANY one could NOT UNDERSTAND this Fact. Anyway, from OT's perspective HOW in what LOGICAL POSSIBILITY would it take ANY less than four years.

And, PLEASE do NOT just say 'because of time dilation' NOR something similar. EXPLAIN to the readers here HOW some one traveling for four years then, from their perspective, it would be LESS, EXACTLY.

I was trying to help you out, you can't travel at the speed of light, but if you could, you would get there instantly. Not aging at all.

That's what you get for thinking that God gives you absolutely certain knowledge, and for denying that minds exist, when in fact you're just a hallucinating idiot in denial. And your hallucinations use the mind's "absolute space and time" features, Einstein has shown that you are just lost in an illusion. Spacetime is relative to the speed of light.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:27 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:20 am I SAID AT the speed of light. So, if your thinking can NOT STAY FOCUSED ON the task, then PLEASE REMOVE "yourself".

Now, Planet B is four light years away. So, OBVIOUSLY traveling AT the speed of light it takes four years to get to planet B. LOL I am NOT SURE HOW ANY one could NOT UNDERSTAND this Fact. Anyway, from OT's perspective HOW in what LOGICAL POSSIBILITY would it take ANY less than four years.

And, PLEASE do NOT just say 'because of time dilation' NOR something similar. EXPLAIN to the readers here HOW some one traveling for four years then, from their perspective, it would be LESS, EXACTLY.

I was trying to help you out, you can't travel at the speed of light,

OBVIOUSLY you did NOT read and/nor COMPREHEND the opening post.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:27 am but if you could, you would get there instantly. Not aging at all.

So, well to "atla" anyway, light gets from say the sun to earth instantly, and/or from the sun to wherever it can reach also instantly.

Therefore, "atla" is well and Truly 'out of the picture, here', as some would say.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:27 am That's what you get for thinking that God gives you absolutely certain knowledge,

Okay, if you say and BELIEVE SO.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:27 am and for denying that minds exist, when in fact you're just a hallucinating idiot in denial.

ONCE AGAIN, if this is what you BELIEVE SO, then OKAY.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:27 am And your hallucinations use the mind's "absolute space and time" features, Einstein has shown that you are just lost in an illusion. Spacetime is relative to the speed of light.

Maybe so. However, if I was to ask you to EXPLAIN to the readers, here, what is 'spacetime', EXACTLY, you WOULD FALTER and FAIL, ABSOLUTELY.

And, this is WITHOUT even asking you to EXPLAIN to the readers, here, just what 'space' AND 'time' even are, exactly.

OBVIOUSLY "atla" is completely and utterly INCAPABLE of just doing the 'thought experiment', here, is there ANY one else who would like to do it?