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The philosopher and political scientist Samuel Huntington, in response to his student Francis Fukuyama—also a philosopher and economist—introduced us to the idea of ​​the clash of civilizations.

Although this idea was not completely new, as Albert Camus had contemplated it almost 50 years earlier, its impact and popularity generated uncertainty and fear in many.

The Clash of Civilizations argues, in short, that the wars of the future will not be fought between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic culture represents one of the greatest threats to Western culture.

The influence of Huntington's theory has grown especially following terrorist attacks linked to Muslim extremists and US actions to reassert its global hegemony.

However, the clash of civilizations does not have to be a fatalistic concept. Seen in perspective, it can represent an opportunity to overthrow old ideologies and build a future in which there exists a single civilization: the human and cosmopolitan one.

Various academics, religious leaders of different faiths and spiritual practitioners propose an ambitious project: the unification of spirituality. Although at first glance it may seem far-fetched, it is not an unattainable goal.

There is a wealth of material pointing out parallels between different religions and their effects on committed followers. According to contemporary studies, spirituality may be rooted in our genetic code.

Our need to believe in a higher power may be written into our evolutionary being. Therefore, unifying spiritual practices and eliminating dogma are not impossible tasks.

If we set our minds to it, we can bring about the downfall of fragmented civilizations and, from their rubble, build a single civilization: human civilization.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am The Clash of Civilizations argues, in short, that the wars of the future will not be fought between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic culture represents one of the greatest threats to Western culture.

Western culture is primarily clashing with itself. It really does not need enemies to fall apart. The future is demography. That is where a civilization either survives or doesn't. Western civilization can no longer reproduce from generation to generation. The birth rate will keep collapsing. It can never recover. Western civilization has adopted beliefs concerning inter-gender dynamics that guarantee is demographic extinction. Any culture that does not adopt these beliefs will survive, while the West will not. Islam is such culture, but quite a few other cultures also manage to stick to their traditional beliefs.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Various academics, religious leaders of different faiths and spiritual practitioners propose an ambitious project: the unification of spirituality. Although at first glance it may seem far-fetched, it is not an unattainable goal.

Unification possibly means two things.

The other culture adopts the beliefs that are destroying the West. That is known as "westernization". It just means that this culture will collapse just like the West will.

The alternative choice is that this culture does not adopt these beliefs. In that case, it remains culturally separate. Long-term survival of a civilization requires it NOT to adopt the beliefs that are currently destroying the West.

So, the question is what are these beliefs that are destroying the West? You will find the greatest analysts of these destructive beliefs in the so-called "manosphere":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere

The manosphere is a diverse collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism.[1] Communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists (MRAs),[2] incels (involuntary celibates),[3] Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW),[4] pick-up artists (PUA),[5] and fathers' rights groups.[6] While the specifics of each group's beliefs sometimes conflict, they are generally united in the belief that society is biased against men due to the influence of feminism, and that feminists promote misandry, or hatred of men.[7] Acceptance of these ideas is described as "taking the red pill", a metaphor borrowed from the film The Matrix.[8]

A good number of men in the manosphere may indeed be deemed bitter and misogynist, but most are actually not. Instead, the main influencers and philosophers naturally rediscover what the true differences are between men and women, resulting in a description of the natural gender inter-dynamics. In fact, they end up saying many of the things that traditional religions such as Christianity and Islam also say.

The West will never achieve "unification" with the growing manosphere, let alone, with a religion such as Islam. The core of Western culture is an inferior, self-defeating ideology that is incredibly self-destructive. Unifying with it, amounts to cultural suicide. Therefore, nobody else will ever want to adopt that, and certainly not the Muslims. On the contrary, the manosphere ideas are increasingly going mainstream in the West itself.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am The philosopher and political scientist Samuel Huntington, in response to his student Francis Fukuyama—also a philosopher and economist—introduced us to the idea of ​​the clash of civilizations.

Although this idea was not completely new, as Albert Camus had contemplated it almost 50 years earlier, its impact and popularity generated uncertainty and fear in many.

The Clash of Civilizations argues, in short, that the wars of the future will not be fought between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic culture represents one of the greatest threats to Western culture.

Conversely, and obviously, the "christian and/or jewish western" cult represents one of the greatest threats to the "islamic" cult.

But, SO WHAT?

They have become OPPOSING cults, so obviously they are threats against each other.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am The influence of Huntington's theory has grown especially following terrorist attacks linked to Muslim extremists and US actions to reassert its global hegemony.

If the terrorist attacks linked to "christian and jewish extremists" just STOPPED, then this would help, tremendously, in the continuing and worsening HATRED of 'the other'.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am However, the clash of civilizations does not have to be a fatalistic concept. Seen in perspective, it can represent an opportunity to overthrow old ideologies and build a future in which there exists a single civilization: the human and cosmopolitan one.

There ALREADY exists A SINGLE civilization, sometimes called and referred to as HUMAN civilization. Unfortunately the Truly peaceful human beings 'grow up' to become HATEFUL of, PERCEIVED, 'others', and of 'their ways'.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Various academics, religious leaders of different faiths and spiritual practitioners propose an ambitious project: the unification of spirituality.

But, Spirituality, Itself, IS and has ALWAYS been UNIFIED. you older human beings just SEPARATE 'that unification' with your SEPARATIST and HATEFUL views of 'others', and of 'their ways'.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Although at first glance it may seem far-fetched, it is not an unattainable goal.

LOL It ALREADY EXISTS, if only you human beings would just STOP 'trying to' SEPARATE the One.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am There is a wealth of material pointing out parallels between different religions and their effects on committed followers. According to contemporary studies, spirituality may be rooted in our genetic code.

It IS, and WAS, ALREADY OBVIOUS that the Fact that WITHIN EVERY human being there EXISTS A DESIRE, and A WANT, to live in peace and in harmony with absolutely EVERY one, not just LEADS to the Fact, but ALSO PROVES the Fact that the One, Truly Intelligent, Spirit EXISTS and IS ROOTED in the VERY FABRIC of 'matter' and GENES, themselves.

The GENESIS of what is Right and good, and even True, in Life, is WITHIN, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Our need to believe in a higher power may be written into our evolutionary being.

The NEED WITHIN you human beings is NOT 'a need' to BELIEVE IN a 'higher power' but rather to BELIEVE WITH, and IN, thy 'Self'.

ALL of this comes-to-light and is much better UNDERSTOOD with the 'second coming' of "jesus", and KNOWING what that entails, exactly.

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Therefore, unifying spiritual practices and eliminating dogma are not impossible tasks.

If we set our minds to it, we can bring about the downfall of fragmented civilizations and, from their rubble, build a single civilization: human civilization.

you do NOT have 'your minds'. However, through the (Truly OPEN) Mind, Itself, THE SINGLE civilization HAS ALREADY BEGUN.

I believe in a non-teleological evolution of the socio-economic progress of the human species that experiences generational periods of punctuated equilibrium in which, due to certain material circumstances, traditional gender roles, behaviors, privileges and indenties in general are suddenly and very quickly changed causing upheaval in society.

Women's property rights. The right to vote. A modern industrialized society in which women can easily work. The opportunity to be completely independent of a male companion and be just as successful as a male. All these socio-economic cultural leaps are not suffered quietly by traditionalists, conservatives, and usually religious people (most religions are patriarchal).

As far as long term sustainment of the human species, you know what I think. Something very very close to what Marx thought up needs to happen, or, the moon and Mars need to be colonized so capitalism can continue expanding into new resources and avoid crunching itself isolated here on erf. In other words, long term capitalism is possible but it has to be able to keep beginning anew and avoid the inevitable class war crunch that comes several hundred years after it's established on an inhabitable planet (which we are witnessing presently).

Being that I don't think we'll be interplanetary before the soon-to-be division between the new axis and allies has arrested or drastically complicated and slowed economic growth and technological progress of the sort needed to advance such a project, I say we need to advance the marxist-leninist doctrine via a gradual but steady global political reform that avoids violence as much as possible. My only problem so far is how to reposses property in the form of the means of production from the company owners with their consent. I don't see it happening, chief.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am The Clash of Civilizations argues, in short, that the wars of the future will not be fought between countries, but between cultures, and that Islamic culture represents one of the greatest threats to Western culture.

Western culture is primarily clashing with itself. It really does not need enemies to fall apart. The future is demography. That is where a civilization either survives or doesn't. Western civilization can no longer reproduce from generation to generation. The birth rate will keep collapsing. It can never recover. Western civilization has adopted beliefs concerning inter-gender dynamics that guarantee is demographic extinction. Any culture that does not adopt these beliefs will survive, while the West will not. Islam is such culture, but quite a few other cultures also manage to stick to their traditional beliefs.

So, what is the 'traditional belief', of the "muslim" cult, which is, supposedly, still around today, when this is being written?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am

AlonsoAcevesMX wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:43 am Various academics, religious leaders of different faiths and spiritual practitioners propose an ambitious project: the unification of spirituality. Although at first glance it may seem far-fetched, it is not an unattainable goal.

Unification possibly means two things.

The other culture adopts the beliefs that are destroying the West.

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So, ONCE AGAIN, 'we' have ANOTHER one, here, who BELIEVES, absolutely, that 'others' SHOULD adopt 'this one's cult'.

I wonder if ANY one else has SPOTTED 'the coincidence', here. That is; EVERY one of these posters here BELIEVE, absolutely, that it SHOULD be 'the other' who adopts 'their cult'. And, NEVER EVER is it that they SHOULD CHANGE, ADOPT, nor ADAPT to something ELSE.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am That is known as "westernization". It just means that this culture will collapse just like the West will.

Just in case you were NOT YET AWARE "godelian" ALL of your human beings cults and beliefs WILL, and DID, COLLAPSE and DISAPPEAR, leaving ONLY the One and ONLY Truly TRADITION BELIEF, which LED, or LEADS, to ALL living together in peace and harmony, as One.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am The alternative choice is that this culture does not adopt these beliefs. In that case, it remains culturally separate. Long-term survival of a civilization requires it NOT to adopt the beliefs that are currently destroying the West.

So, the question is what are these beliefs that are destroying the West?

Actually the FIRST question here, which came to me, was, 'What are the beliefs that are destroying the "islamic" cult?'

But considering the OBVIOUS Fact that you do NOT believe that "islam" is BEING DESTROYED, (along WITH the OTHER RIDICULOUS and LUDICROUS "western" cults), is WHY I did NOT ask you 'that CLARIFYING question', immediately.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am You will find the greatest analysts of these destructive beliefs in the so-called "manosphere":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere

The manosphere is a diverse collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism.[1] Communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists (MRAs),[2] incels (involuntary celibates),[3] Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW),[4] pick-up artists (PUA),[5] and fathers' rights groups.[6] While the specifics of each group's beliefs sometimes conflict, they are generally united in the belief that society is biased against men due to the influence of feminism, and that feminists promote misandry, or hatred of men.[7] Acceptance of these ideas is described as "taking the red pill", a metaphor borrowed from the film The Matrix.[8]

A good number of men in the manosphere may indeed be deemed bitter and misogynist, but most are actually not. Instead, the main influencers and philosophers naturally rediscover what the true differences are between men and women, resulting in a description of the natural gender inter-dynamics.

So, WILL you INFORM 'us' readers, here, what are the, supposed, TRUE DIFFERENCES, between "men" and "women", exactly?

If no, then WHY NOT?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am In fact, they end up saying many of the things that traditional religions such as Christianity and Islam also say.

Which is 'what', EXACTLY?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am The West will never achieve "unification" with the growing manosphere, let alone, with a religion such as Islam.

And, would "islam" achieve 'unification' with the other religions?

If no, then WHY NOT?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am The core of Western culture is an inferior, self-defeating ideology that is incredibly self-destructive.

I wonder if this one is AWARE that there are 'others' on the planet earth who have the EXACT SAME BELIEF ABOUT the "islam" cult?

And, that BOTH this one and they BOTH BELIEVE, IN, AS STRONGLY in 'their BELIEF' as 'the other' DOES?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am Unifying with it, amounts to cultural suicide. Therefore, nobody else will ever want to adopt that, and certainly not the Muslims.

LOL AND the "christians" and the "jews" also BOTH Falsely say and CLAIM that 'nobody will ever want to adopt the 'other religion', and certainly NOT the members and followers of 'their OWN chosen cult', which they REMAIN WITH, and IN.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am On the contrary, the manosphere ideas are increasingly going mainstream in the West itself.

Okay, if you say so.

But, I am NOT SURE if you have thought about HOW so-called 'manosphere ideas' would and could increasingly go mainstream when about half of the population is NOT ON the "manosphere side"?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:39 am I believe in a non-teleological evolution of the socio-economic progress of the human species that experiences generational periods of punctuated equilibrium in which, due to certain material circumstances, traditional gender roles, behaviors, privileges and indenties in general are suddenly and very quickly changed causing upheaval in society.

Okay, but absolutely EVERY thing that you human beings 'believe' is NOT necessarily True, Right, Accurate, NOR Correct AT ALL.

Now that 'that' is SORTED and SETTLED, 'we' can move along, here.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:39 am Women's property rights. The right to vote. A modern industrialized society in which women can easily work. The opportunity to be completely independent of a male companion and be just as successful as a male. All these socio-economic cultural leaps are not suffered quietly by traditionalists, conservatives, and usually religious people (most religions are patriarchal).

As far as long term sustainment of the human species, you know what I think. Something very very close to what Marx thought up needs to happen, or, the moon and Mars need to be colonized so capitalism can continue expanding into new resources and avoid crunching itself isolated here on erf. In other words, long term capitalism is possible but it has to be able to keep beginning anew and avoid the inevitable class war crunch that comes several hundred years after it's established on an inhabitable planet (which we are witnessing presently).

As can be CLEARLY SEEN, here, these older people, back when this was being written, NEVER even considered to just 'look at' what IS ACTUALLY True, and Right, ONLY, but INSTEAD preferred to just keep 'looking from' their ALREADY OBTAINED Truly GREEDY and SELFISH ways, and MISBEHAVING, ALWAYS.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:39 am Being that I don't think we'll be interplanetary before the soon-to-be division between the new axis and allies has arrested or drastically complicated and slowed economic growth and technological progress of the sort needed to advance such a project, I say we need to advance the marxist-leninist doctrine via a gradual but steady global political reform that avoids violence as much as possible.

WHY NOT JUST AVOID ALL VIOLENCE, COMPLETELY, INSTEAD?

But, then again, those from some particular places on earth, when this was being written, could NOT even just FATHOM doing things WITHOUT VIOLENCE BEING INVOLVED.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:39 am My only problem so far is how to reposses property in the form of the means of production from the company owners with their consent. I don't see it happening, chief.

LOL If you were NOT GREEDY, from the outset, then you WOULD NOT WANT 'things', from others, AT ALL nor even TO BEGIN WITH.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am Actually the FIRST question here, which came to me, was, 'What are the beliefs that are destroying the "islamic" cult?'

There isn't anyone arguing that Islam would be demographically doomed. In the long run, however, that is all that matters.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am So, WILL you INFORM 'us' readers, here, what are the, supposed, TRUE DIFFERENCES, between "men" and "women", exactly?

Men are still largely the same but modern women have changed.

Look at modern women and look at their great-grandmothers. Investigate the differences. It will tell you everything that you want to know.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am If no, then WHY NOT?

That is not what this post is about.

Islam wants to survive from generation to generation. That is why it will not adopt modern feminism. Hence, the core cultural belief of the West is big "no".

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am But, I am NOT SURE if you have thought about HOW so-called 'manosphere ideas' would and could increasingly go mainstream when about half of the population is NOT ON the "manosphere side"?

The manosphere, i.e. ideological anit-feminism, is increasingly mainstream amongst men, while feminism is increasingly mainstream amongst women. That is one of the main reasons why family formation is increasingly impossible in the West. It will keep stimulating the collapse in the birth rate until the West itself will collapse.

In the West, men and women reject each other's ideological convictions. They also vote differently. A common society is no longer viable.

It is a core manosphere belief that the West is doomed beyond salvation.

As Brazilian president, the thinly-veiled theocratic Evangelical Jair Bolsonaro had allowed the Amazonian rainforest to be razed by both meat farmers and wildfires. Incredibly, in the midst of yet another unprecedented wildfire three summers ago, the evangelical-Christian president declared that his presidency — and, I presume, all of the formidable environmental damage he inflicts while in power — is somehow divine:

“It is difficult to be president of Brazil because it is a president that has less authority. I am fulfilling a mission from God.”
(Strangely enough though not surprising, early on Nov.6 Donald Trump stated: “Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason. And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness.”)

Canada’s previous prime minister, the also thinly-veiled-theocratic Evangelical Stephen Harper, was similarly unrelenting in his pro-fossil-fuel/anti-natural-environment war against science. ... There’s a generally shared bizarre belief amongst such 'Christians' that to defend the natural environment from the planet’s greatest polluters, notably big fossil fuel, is to go against God’s will and is therefore inherently evil.

Some even credit the bone-dry-vegetation areas uncontrollably burning in California each year to some divine wrath upon collective humankind’s ‘sinfulness’. ... Apparently, there is a serious hazard in such theologically inclined people getting into and remaining in high office.

With the human race desperately needing a unifying fate-determining common cause, perhaps a vicious extraterrestrial attack is what we collectively need to brutally endure in order to survive the long-term from ourselves. Humanity could all unite for the first time ever to defend against, attack and defeat the humanicidal multi-tentacled ETs, the latter needing to be an even greater nemesis than our own formidably divisive politics and perceptions of differences, both real and perceived — especially those involving race and nationality.

During this much-needed human alliance, we’d be forced to work closely side-by-side together and experience thus witness just how humanly similar we are in the ways that really count. [I've been informed, however, that one or more human parties might actually attempt to forge an alliance with the ETs to better their own chances for survival, thus indicating that our deficient human condition may be even worse than I had originally thought.]

Still, maybe some five or more decades later when all traces of the nightmarish ET invasion are gone, we'll inevitably revert to those same politics to which we humans seem so collectively hopelessly prone — including those of scale: the intercontinental, international, national, provincial or state, regional and municipal. And again we slide downwards.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am Actually the FIRST question here, which came to me, was, 'What are the beliefs that are destroying the "islamic" cult?'

There isn't anyone arguing that Islam would be demographically doomed. In the long run, however, that is all that matters.

1. For a Truly peaceful world to BEGIN the "Islamic" cult, like the "christian" and "jewish" cults, will be 'demographically destroyed'.

2. Who cares if no one, every one, or some are arguing that "islam" would be 'demographically doomed' or not? The point of my question was, and still is, if you can not or will not present ANY of the 'beliefs' that are destroying the "Islamic" cult, then this just goes to SHOW the Dishonesty within the "Islamic" cult, which is what DOES lead to the 'demographically demise' of "islam".

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am So, WILL you INFORM 'us' readers, here, what are the, supposed, TRUE DIFFERENCES, between "men" and "women", exactly?

Men are still largely the same but modern women have changed.

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ONCE AGAIN, NO ACTUAL CLARIFICATION was provided.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am Look at modern women and look at their great-grandmothers. Investigate the differences. It will tell you everything that you want to know.

So, this one, STILL, will NOT provide ANY CLARIFICATION, AT ALL.

AND the REASON for this is VERY OBVIOUS.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am If no, then WHY NOT?

That is not what this post is about.

So, WHY THEN BRING 'it' UP, here?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am Islam wants to survive from generation to generation.

And, are you suggesting that "christians" do NOT?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am That is why it will not adopt modern feminism. Hence, the core cultural belief of the West is big "no".

And, what is the, supposed, 'core cultural belief of the "west", EXACTLY?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:57 am But, I am NOT SURE if you have thought about HOW so-called 'manosphere ideas' would and could increasingly go mainstream when about half of the population is NOT ON the "manosphere side"?

The manosphere, i.e. ideological anit-feminism, is increasingly mainstream amongst men,

Who are, AGAIN, only about HALF of the population.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am while feminism is increasingly mainstream amongst women.

Who are, ALSO, only about HALF of the population.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am That is one of the main reasons why family formation is increasingly impossible in the West.

What do you mean by so-called 'family formation', exactly?

Male and females human bodies have sex, children are born, families are formed. I am NOT SURE HOW this could become so-called 'increasingly impossible' ANY WHERE on earth, let alone supposedly ALREADY is 'increasingly impossible.

Are you ABLE TO elaborate, here?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am It will keep stimulating the collapse in the birth rate until the West itself will collapse.

So, what, EXACTLY, is THE REASON WHY human beings, in the so-called "west" WILL STOP HAVING SEX?

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am In the West, men and women reject each other's ideological convictions.

Does this apply for EVERY "man" and "woman" in the so-called "west"?

Either way, HOW, EXACTLY, does this STOP "men" and "women" from WANTING to have sex WITH 'each other'.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am They also vote differently. A common society is no longer viable.

Are you JOKING here?

In just about EVERY country, if not ALL countries, people vote DIFFERENTLY.

Otherwise, and OBVIOUSLY, there would be NO need TO VOTE.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:09 am It is a core manosphere belief that the West is doomed beyond salvation.

Okay. Could the so-called 'core manosphere belief' be Wrong, or Inaccurate? Or, is this NOT a possibility in 'your view' and perspective of things, here?

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:38 am As Brazilian president, the thinly-veiled theocratic Evangelical Jair Bolsonaro had allowed the Amazonian rainforest to be razed by both meat farmers and wildfires. Incredibly, in the midst of yet another unprecedented wildfire three summers ago, the evangelical-Christian president declared that his presidency — and, I presume, all of the formidable environmental damage he inflicts while in power — is somehow divine:

“It is difficult to be president of Brazil because it is a president that has less authority. I am fulfilling a mission from God.”
(Strangely enough though not surprising, early on Nov.6 Donald Trump stated: “Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason. And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness.”)

Do you know what "donald trump" would be, supposedly, 'saving' that one little insignificant country FROM, exactly?

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:38 am Canada’s previous prime minister, the also thinly-veiled-theocratic Evangelical Stephen Harper, was similarly unrelenting in his pro-fossil-fuel/anti-natural-environment war against science. ... There’s a generally shared bizarre belief amongst such 'Christians' that to defend the natural environment from the planet’s greatest polluters, notably big fossil fuel, is to go against God’s will and is therefore inherently evil.

Some even credit the bone-dry-vegetation areas uncontrollably burning in California each year to some divine wrath upon collective humankind’s ‘sinfulness’. ... Apparently, there is a serious hazard in such theologically inclined people getting into and remaining in high office.

Okay.

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:22 am With the human race desperately needing a unifying fate-determining common cause, perhaps a vicious extraterrestrial attack is what we collectively need to brutally endure in order to survive the long-term from ourselves.

Now WHY would an extraterrestrial species want to 'attack' you human beings for, exactly?

And, WHY is 'violence' one of the very FIRST things a lot of people from some particular countries think about?

The answer to this, by the way, is ALREADY KNOWN. I just put it out there to FIND OUT and SEE who ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT it.

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:22 am Humanity could all unite for the first time ever to defend against, attack and defeat the humanicidal multi-tentacled ETs, the latter needing to be an even greater nemesis than our own formidably divisive politics and perceptions of differences, both real and perceived — especially those involving race and nationality.

So, ONCE AGAIN, the human beings, back in the days when this was being written, seemed to only want to function when there was an 'us' VERSUS 'them' perspective to be had.

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:22 am During this much-needed human alliance, we’d be forced to work closely side-by-side together and experience thus witness just how humanly similar we are in the ways that really count.

LOL you ALL could have done this ALREADY. And, WITHOUT a single individual being harmed, maimed, NOR killed in the process.

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:22 am [I've been informed, however, that one or more human parties might actually attempt to forge an alliance with the ETs to better their own chances for survival, thus indicating that our deficient human condition may be even worse than I had originally thought.]

Did someone REALLY have to inform you of this BEFORE you KNEW that it would happen, anyway?

Also, and AGAIN, WHY would some thing from past planet earth WANT TO ATTACK or DESTROY you insignificant human beings for, exactly?

If 'they' had the ability to travel to earth, then what possible PURPOSE would there be ATTACKING you little things?

FrankGSterleJr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 5:22 am Still, maybe some five or more decades later when all traces of the nightmarish ET invasion are gone, we'll inevitably revert to those same politics to which we humans seem so collectively hopelessly prone — including those of scale: the intercontinental, international, national, provincial or state, regional and municipal. And again we slide downwards.

Maybe?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am 1. For a Truly peaceful world to BEGIN the "Islamic" cult, like the "christian" and "jewish" cults, will be 'demographically destroyed'.

They are the only people who will reproduce in the future. Everybody else will be single.
By 2030, in the age range 25-44, 45% of women will be single and childless.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am 2. Who cares if no one, every one, or some are arguing that "islam" would be 'demographically doomed' or not?

Demographics are the only long-term benchmark for success.

If an ideology leads to the extinction of society, then it is an unsuccessful ideology. If it does not affect reproduction negatively then it is at least sustainable. Islam is sustainable. Feminism is not.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am And, what is the, supposed, 'core cultural belief of the "west", EXACTLY?

Feminism.

Why is feminism destroying the Western World?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am Male and females human bodies have sex, children are born, families are formed. I am NOT SURE HOW this could become so-called 'increasingly impossible' ANY WHERE on earth, let alone supposedly ALREADY is 'increasingly impossible. Are you ABLE TO elaborate, here?

The marriage rate is collapsing. The birth rate is collapsing. The long-term demographics are catastrophic. It will sooner or later lead to extinction. The effects are irreversible. It is also not possible to change course. Abolishing feminism today won't change the outcome either. There is simply no salvation for western society.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am So, what, EXACTLY, is THE REASON WHY human beings, in the so-called "west" WILL STOP HAVING SEX?
Either way, HOW, EXACTLY, does this STOP "men" and "women" from WANTING to have sex WITH 'each other'.

First, they stopped having children, but increasingly, they will indeed also stop having sex. This is already a growing phenomenon:

- People Have Been Having Less Sex—whether They’re Teenagers or 40-Somethings
- A ‘failure to launch’: Why young people are having less sex

The so-called "sexual revolution" is gradually leading to widespread sexlessness.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am 1. For a Truly peaceful world to BEGIN the "Islamic" cult, like the "christian" and "jewish" cults, will be 'demographically destroyed'.

They are the only people who will reproduce in the future. Everybody else will be single.
By 2030, in the age range 25-44, 45% of women will be single and childless.

LOL If this is what you BELIEVE is true, then okay.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am 2. Who cares if no one, every one, or some are arguing that "islam" would be 'demographically doomed' or not?

Demographics are the only long-term benchmark for success.

If an ideology leads to the extinction of society, then it is an unsuccessful ideology.

But, it was successful, in leading to the extinction of society. Which is what is NEEDED in regards to the "muslim", "christian", "jewish", and other societies around the word. That is; IF people REALLY DO WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE and HARMONY TOGETHER, as One.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:55 am If it does not affect reproduction negatively then it is at least sustainable. Islam is sustainable. Feminism is not.

Okay if this is what you really want to say and believe so.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am And, what is the, supposed, 'core cultural belief of the "west", EXACTLY?

Feminism.

Why is feminism destroying the Western World?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am Male and females human bodies have sex, children are born, families are formed. I am NOT SURE HOW this could become so-called 'increasingly impossible' ANY WHERE on earth, let alone supposedly ALREADY is 'increasingly impossible. Are you ABLE TO elaborate, here?

The marriage rate is collapsing. The birth rate is collapsing. The long-term demographics are catastrophic. It will sooner or later lead to extinction. The effects are irreversible. It is also not possible to change course. Abolishing feminism today won't change the outcome either. There is simply no salvation for western society.

LOL Some of the DELUSIONS that come up in this forum are absolutely HILARIOUS.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:18 am So, what, EXACTLY, is THE REASON WHY human beings, in the so-called "west" WILL STOP HAVING SEX?
Either way, HOW, EXACTLY, does this STOP "men" and "women" from WANTING to have sex WITH 'each other'.

First, they stopped having children, but increasingly, they will indeed also stop having sex. This is already a growing phenomenon:

- People Have Been Having Less Sex—whether They’re Teenagers or 40-Somethings
- A ‘failure to launch’: Why young people are having less sex

The so-called "sexual revolution" is gradually leading to widespread sexlessness.

godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:06 am The West will never achieve "unification" with the growing manosphere, let alone, with a religion such as Islam. The core of Western culture is an inferior, self-defeating ideology that is incredibly self-destructive. Unifying with it, amounts to cultural suicide. Therefore, nobody else will ever want to adopt that, and certainly not the Muslims. On the contrary, the manosphere ideas are increasingly going mainstream in the West itself.

The "West" the West, to you the "West" is evil, ugly, bad and shit.
You are engaging in very primitive and primal tribalism thinking of us versus them, thus triggering a very antagonistic state towards the 'other'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_and_out-group
This is the central theme of the Quran and the religion, i.e. in securing its soteriological purpose with the fearing of non-believers [kafirophobia] as a threat.

Islam has no interests in making the World a better place for all or even its believers.
Islam will have no hesitation for its believers to destroy the West, East, North and South with WMDs or whatever because regardless of what happened they are assured of eternal life in paradise which is many folds better than life on Earth.

[Q5:70] Know that this worldly life is no more than play, amusement, luxury, mutual boasting, and competition in wealth and children. This is like rain that causes plants to grow, to the delight of the planters. But later the plants dry up and you see them wither, then they are reduced to chaff.
And in the Hereafter there will be either severe punishment or forgiveness and pleasure of Allah, whereas the life of this world is no more than the delusion of enjoyment.

There are many similar verses to the above.

Q5:33 permit believers [10% likely to incline to that] to exterminate the human species and blown up the Earth if the religion is threatened.

While spirituality is a good thing if done properly, to save the world, the critical thing we should focus on is the Morality & Ethics function and potentials of humans and humanity with a striving toward perpetual peace for all humans.

The first thing we need to do is to get rid of any evil laden religion where the minority believers acting upon its soteriological dictates could exterminate the human species in the future.