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Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:34 pm
by Philosophy Now
Van Harvey considers an unusual critique of Christian love.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/85/Feuerbach_Love_and_Atheism

Re: Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:18 am
by attofishpi
Philosophy Now wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:34 pm Van Harvey considers an unusual critique of Christian love.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/85/Feu ... nd_Atheism
Where does one start in dealing with more nonsense from an atheist "philosopher"?

I'll say yet again from the outset, that I am a Christian that has spent the past 27 years in total knowledge that GOD exists. That this intelligence permeates throughout ALL matter, indeed everything we perceive of REAL_IT_Y is a construct in real time of this entity - GOD.
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Feuerbach has made so many errors via assumptions about what he thinks a Christian is\believes.

"And what he claimed he discovered by this critical method was that the Christian believer’s most important conviction is that God is love. Guided by this understanding of Christian belief, Feuerbach then preoccupied himself with the analysis of the idea of love and its implications."

No, GOD is not love, in fact, I'd prefer to be crucified than be put through the TESTS this entity forced me to endure, if that's love then kiss atto's arse.


"Christianity is contradictory because its two fundamental virtues, faith and love, are incompatible.
For instance, the Christian thinks he has true beliefs, and that unbelievers and the adherents of other religions are wrong. But since these right beliefs have to do with salvation, the unbelievers are more than intellectually wrong, they are lost. Faith thinks of itself as privileged, as having been given the gift of grace not given to the unbeliever. So rather than this faith being a form of love, Feuerbach regards this as a type of arrogance under the form of humility."


Insisting certain things about what a Christian thinks is akin to me stating ALL atheists are X. There are many different types of Christians and certainly the above is far from my personal view. As a Christian I believe in what Christ did and the commandments from GOD, period. Ascribing the above nonsense to me as a Christian is, well, ridiculous.
As far as other faiths/religions are concerned I believe the divine GOD influenced people within various cultures through time and wo/men within those cultures developed the various religions we have today. The truth of Christianity is what Christ stated, to know God is through me - and yeah I know GOD and what it is capable of. Hopefully, what I went through is not the only method to know this entity :wink:


"But Feuerbach’s harshest polemic against faith is that as ‘right belief’ it is specific, and expresses itself in dogma. Consequently, faith is exclusive, and leads to the anathematization of those who do not accept the dogma. The church, Feuerbach concludes, justifies itself in adjudging damnation to heretics and unbelievers, “for this condemnation is involved in the nature of faith.” (EC, p.252) But this condemnation necessarily generates hostility and intolerance – both of which are the opposite of love."

DOG_MA? AM_GOD.

The condemnation isn't within the Christian him/herself it is from GOD only. In all the times I bothered to attend MASS, I have never heard a priest utter anything that correlates to the above - judging/condemning others for their 'non' belief. So a Christian CAN and should LOVE all, not personally condemn others - he that casts the first stone and all that.

So yes, the entire premise of Feuerbach’s argument that Faith & Love within Christianity being a contradiction falls apart when you real eyes that its NOT the Christian that is doing the condemning!

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Re: Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:47 am
by attofishpi
PS. Re my above statements on other religions having been influenced by a Divine GOD..Islam is the clear exception. (in my humble opinion)

Islam was created by a warlord that stole concepts from Judaism and Christianity and when he attempted to get the likes of the Jews to accept him as a prophet, and they didn't, he started slaughtering them :twisted:

The only time Mor_Ham_Mad had actual awareness of GOD was when GOD forced him to admit as he was dying (from poisoning via a Jewish lady) ..that he felt as though his aorta had been severed something this particular warlord had stated GOD would do if indeed he was a false prophet - thus he was..just a silly man with a big ego.

Thus Islam Islame...a disgusting truly MAN MADE "religion" that insists slaughtering people that refuse to succumb to its disgusting ideology. An ideology that Keir Starmer has vigorously protected proponents of this evil ideology via pro-bono work for Islamic terrorists...always insisting that rapist murderers etc deserve human rights.

Yes, the bloke that is running the UK, allowing UK to be flooded with illegal immigrants mostly Islamic to settle at British tax payer expense insists on blasphemy laws to protect Islam from scrutiny...etc etc.. etc...

Thus we cannot criticise THE book that SHOULD BE BANNED for inciting VIOLENCE - the "holy" Koran/Quran:-

...I don't live in UK, but seriously...get a petition to ban this book (Koran\Quran) that contains the following:-



“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no God but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

"They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." (Quran 4:89)

The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari 52:260)




So perhaps we should consider the philosophy as to why there is a term: "Islamaphobia" but NOT such terms as..."Seikisaphobia" "Christianophobia" "Hinduaphobia" "Jainaphobia" "Judaiaphobia"

..the list could go on. Perhaps as we PHILOSOPHERS consider the reasons why society of recent times has conjured the term "ISLAMAPHOBIA" we might comprehend whether indeed it is actually RATIONAL to fear people that believe in the above doctrine :?:

..indeed, why IS there so much violence caused by adherents of Islam - could it be because their "ALLAH" according to them, has instructed them to kill US?

Re: Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:45 am
by attofishpi
"And what he claimed he discovered by this critical method was that the Christian believer’s most important conviction is that God is love. Guided by this understanding of Christian belief, Feuerbach then preoccupied himself with the analysis of the idea of love and its implications."


..also, let me just clear up wot this amazing 19C philosopher should have made his GOLDEN angle - the huge contradiction of his above (although misguided) premise..

If GOD is ALL love - then where is this entities "LOVE" when it decides to BURN YOU IN HELL FOREVER ...?

..honestly, why didn't Feuerbach at least conclude on that little gem :?:

That blows GODS love to smithereens :mrgreen:

Re: Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:07 pm
by promethean75
Imagine fishpie trying to critique Feuerbach.

Re: Feuerbach: Love & Atheism

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:36 am
by attofishpi
promethean75 wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:07 pm Imagine fishpie trying to critique Feuerbach.
Pretty certain I did a rather limited one in my OP.

How about you do a critique of the article re Feuerbach's "The Essence of Christianity"?

..and then allow me to critique your 'critique''? 8)