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External World: Scientific Methodological Assumption

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:17 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Very often when debating in relation to a human/mind independent reality re philosophical realism, opponents [PH, Atla, and others] will refer to Science as confirming an absolutely human/mind independent reality.

This is a conflation of the mind-independent external world of science as an ASSUMPTION with that the ontological claim Philosophical Realism of an absolutely mind-independent reality.

Here is an explanation of the difference between Science's Methodological Assumption of and philosophical realism's ontological claim of a mind-independent external world:
VA To ChatGpt
Scientific Realism is an ideology which some scientists adopt as their philosophical stance.
Besides the above, in general, is a mind-independent external world [regularity and consistency] adopted as an assumption within the scientific framework and system.
Note "in general' not in all cases, e.g. QM and theories re observers' effect.

ChatGPT [wR] said:
ChatGPT wrote
Yes, within the scientific framework and system, the assumption of a mind-independent external world with regularity and consistency is generally adopted.
This assumption underpins the practice of science, regardless of whether individual scientists align with philosophical realism, anti-realism, or other perspectives.
Here's why this assumption is central to scientific practice:

1. Empirical Investigation and Replicability
Science operates on the premise that phenomena studied are not wholly contingent on subjective perception but exist and behave in regular patterns that can be observed, measured, and tested.
Replicability depends on the belief that experiments performed under similar conditions will yield consistent results, which presupposes a stable, mind-independent reality.

2. Objective Consistency
Scientific laws and theories are expected to apply universally (e.g., the law of gravity) and to predict phenomena irrespective of individual observers. This universality assumes a consistent framework of external reality.

3. Pragmatic Basis
Science focuses on practical outcomes: models and theories that predict and explain phenomena effectively. While the question of ultimate mind-independence is philosophical, the pragmatic assumption is that phenomena behave as though they exist independently of human thought.

Distinction from Scientific Realism
It’s important to note that this assumption is methodological rather than ontological.
Scientific Realism, as an ideology, claims that the entities and structures posited by successful scientific theories genuinely exist in a mind-independent way. However:

A scientific anti-realist might argue that the regularities science identifies are constructs or frameworks imposed by human cognition, yet still adopt the methodological assumption of consistency for practical purposes.

This means that the methodological adoption of regularity and consistency does not require a commitment to the metaphysical position that the world is fundamentally mind-independent.

Thus, the assumption of a regular, consistent external world is a practical and operational cornerstone of the scientific framework, without necessitating a commitment to Scientific Realism as a philosophy.
I believe the above assumption [re general science] is not adopted in theories related to the observers' effects and QM theories.

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Re: External World: Scientific Methodological Assumption

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:19 am
by Veritas Aequitas
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Re: External World: Scientific Methodological Assumption

Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:23 am
by Atla
VA is trying to convince you that there is no external world, so he doesn't exist. I'm starting to like what he's saying.