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To think thought would be a loop and to be aware of this loop would be a further loop so on and so forth. This is an infinite process of loops which is a loop. Consciousness and cyclicality are inseparable hence why the ancients where so fascinated with the circle.

The infinite circle, with infinite circles within and without leaves the circle as fundamentally an observation of void for infinite circles within and without leaves nothing. Consciousness comes from nothing and goes back to nothing.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:39 pm To think thought would be a loop and to be aware of this loop would be a further loop so on and so forth. This is an infinite process of loops which is a loop. Consciousness and cyclicality are inseparable hence why the ancients where so fascinated with the circle.

The infinite circle, with infinite circles within and without leaves the circle as fundamentally an observation of void for infinite circles within and without leaves nothing. Consciousness comes from nothing and goes back to nothing.

LOL

So, this one had already BELIEVED, ABSOLUTELY, that everything comes from nothing, and so just KEEPS looking for absolutely ANY thing that could, or would, confirm this pre-existing BELIEF. This one has, again, just provided another prime example of how those with BELIEFS will look for and use words in just about any sort of order in the HOPE that those words will, somehow, back up and support their pre-existing BELIEF.

Now, if you would like to DISCUSS, and LOOK AT, where 'your words' are NOT Right, then by all means let 'us' BEGIN. So, let 'me' KNOW if 'you' would like to, or not.

Or, in other words, if what you BELIEVED was true, was NOT true, then would you like to hear it?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:39 pm To think thought would be a loop and to be aware of this loop would be a further loop so on and so forth. This is an infinite process of loops which is a loop. Consciousness and cyclicality are inseparable hence why the ancients where so fascinated with the circle.

The infinite circle, with infinite circles within and without leaves the circle as fundamentally an observation of void for infinite circles within and without leaves nothing. Consciousness comes from nothing and goes back to nothing.

You are merely jumping in and postulating 'thought is in a loop' without any justification and argument at all.

Have you researched into the image below and its underlying principles?
Season wise, 'Winter' do not loop into 'Winter' but rather
Winter_t2 to Winter_t2 to Wintert3 and so on.
It is the same for every aspect of reality.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:39 pm To think thought would be a loop and to be aware of this loop would be a further loop so on and so forth. This is an infinite process of loops which is a loop. Consciousness and cyclicality are inseparable hence why the ancients where so fascinated with the circle.

The infinite circle, with infinite circles within and without leaves the circle as fundamentally an observation of void for infinite circles within and without leaves nothing. Consciousness comes from nothing and goes back to nothing.

You are merely jumping in and postulating 'thought is in a loop' without any justification and argument at all.

Have you researched into the image below and its underlying principles?
Season wise, 'Winter' do not loop into 'Winter' but rather
Winter_t2 to Winter_t2 to Wintert3 and so on.
It is the same for every aspect of reality.

Yeah and the symbol is a circle with circles within it....

To "think thought" is recursion....face palm...."to think thought would be a loop"...with continuous thought as recursive process. Conceptualization is recursive.

I covered all this with the ai with a far deeper and more nuanced question. Consciousness, and the thought entwined with it is embedded in recursion.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:05 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:32 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:39 pm To think thought would be a loop and to be aware of this loop would be a further loop so on and so forth. This is an infinite process of loops which is a loop. Consciousness and cyclicality are inseparable hence why the ancients where so fascinated with the circle.

The infinite circle, with infinite circles within and without leaves the circle as fundamentally an observation of void for infinite circles within and without leaves nothing. Consciousness comes from nothing and goes back to nothing.

You are merely jumping in and postulating 'thought is in a loop' without any justification and argument at all.

Have you researched into the image below and its underlying principles?
Season wise, 'Winter' do not loop into 'Winter' but rather
Winter_t2 to Winter_t2 to Wintert3 and so on.
It is the same for every aspect of reality.

Yeah and the symbol is a circle with circles within it....

To "think thought" is recursion....face palm...."to think thought would be a loop"...with continuous thought as recursive process. Conceptualization is recursive.

I covered all this with the ai with a far deeper and more nuanced question. Consciousness, and the thought entwined with it is embedded in recursion.

There are limitations to AI responses even with nuanced considerations.
There could be deeper consideration to your nuanced-question and AI's responses.
Say there are 5 levels of depth, if your present level is 2, your ability to dig into level 3 would appear to have gone deeper but it is not deep enough for there is still level 4 and 5.
It is only when one has level 5 cognition that one can dig from level 1 to level 5.

Why don't you get AI to give a summary of its responses to you and post it here, I am confident there is room to critique it from my perspective.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:05 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:32 am
You are merely jumping in and postulating 'thought is in a loop' without any justification and argument at all.

Have you researched into the image below and its underlying principles?
Season wise, 'Winter' do not loop into 'Winter' but rather
Winter_t2 to Winter_t2 to Wintert3 and so on.
It is the same for every aspect of reality.

Yeah and the symbol is a circle with circles within it....

To "think thought" is recursion....face palm...."to think thought would be a loop"...with continuous thought as recursive process. Conceptualization is recursive.

I covered all this with the ai with a far deeper and more nuanced question. Consciousness, and the thought entwined with it is embedded in recursion.

There are limitations to AI responses even with nuanced considerations.
There could be deeper consideration to your nuanced-question and AI's responses.
Say there are 5 levels of depth, if your present level is 2, your ability to dig into level 3 would appear to have gone deeper but it is not deep enough for there is still level 4 and 5.
It is only when one has level 5 cognition that one can dig from level 1 to level 5.

Why don't you get AI to give a summary of its responses to you and post it here, I am confident there is room to critique it from my perspective.

If there are limitations to AI then all your recent work is very limited as that is what you resort to for your primary argumentation.

You then want a post of AI responses, after saying how limited they are...for your critique? You have a high opinion of yourself that is not earned from me or others here. Levels? Stacking blocks is preschool level intellect, and that is what your levels are, building blocks, and by those standards your barely at the base of your own standard, which is a very harsh way to view yourself.

How about I make a simple point you can understand, one that can be spoon fed considering you need the training wheels of AI in order to convince yourself of being a deep thinker that is vital to the movement of the world.


A thought about a thought is recursion. The variation of conceptual qualities within concepts is recursion. The repetition of concepts is recursion.

Recursion is an expanding cycle that is inseperable from thought.

Do you need an AI to show you the Yin Yang symbol is a circle too? With circles inside of it? And that was the symbol Taoism presents itself with?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:21 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:15 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:05 am
Yeah and the symbol is a circle with circles within it....

To "think thought" is recursion....face palm...."to think thought would be a loop"...with continuous thought as recursive process. Conceptualization is recursive.

I covered all this with the ai with a far deeper and more nuanced question. Consciousness, and the thought entwined with it is embedded in recursion.

There are limitations to AI responses even with nuanced considerations.
There could be deeper consideration to your nuanced-question and AI's responses.
Say there are 5 levels of depth, if your present level is 2, your ability to dig into level 3 would appear to have gone deeper but it is not deep enough for there is still level 4 and 5.
It is only when one has level 5 cognition that one can dig from level 1 to level 5.

Why don't you get AI to give a summary of its responses to you and post it here, I am confident there is room to critique it from my perspective.

If there are limitations to AI then all your recent work is very limited as that is what you resort to for your primary argumentation.

You then want a post of AI responses, after saying how limited they are...for your critique? You have a high opinion of yourself that is not earned from me or others here. Levels? Stacking blocks is preschool level intellect, and that is what your levels are, building blocks, and by those standards your barely at the base of your own standard, which is a very harsh way to view yourself.

Science and all fields of knowledge has their limitations, but yet productive to humanity.
It is the same with AI.
Most AI sites will qualify its limitation, i.e. "AI makes mistakes" so one has to use AI to one best abilities with that limitation in mind.

How about I make a simple point you can understand, one that can be spoon fed considering you need the training wheels of AI in order to convince yourself of being a deep thinker that is vital to the movement of the world.

I am giving you feedback.
You presentation is very messy and difficult to understand, i.e. they are too compact with missing premises in between.

A thought about a thought is recursion. The variation of conceptual qualities within concepts is recursion. The repetition of concepts is recursion.

Recursion is an expanding cycle that is inseperable from thought.

Do you need an AI to show you the Yin Yang symbol is a circle too? With circles inside of it? And that was the symbol Taoism presents itself with?

If thought about a thought is a recursion, then every human act is a recursion, so what??

The Yin-Yang concept is recursive but it is contributing to the evolution and progress of humanity within space and time.
Note also the whole of Hegel's philosophy which is based on recursiveness of the thesis and antithesis grounded on an Absolute. I agree to this to a certain extent but not the Absolute.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:54 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:21 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:15 am
There are limitations to AI responses even with nuanced considerations.
There could be deeper consideration to your nuanced-question and AI's responses.
Say there are 5 levels of depth, if your present level is 2, your ability to dig into level 3 would appear to have gone deeper but it is not deep enough for there is still level 4 and 5.
It is only when one has level 5 cognition that one can dig from level 1 to level 5.

Why don't you get AI to give a summary of its responses to you and post it here, I am confident there is room to critique it from my perspective.

If there are limitations to AI then all your recent work is very limited as that is what you resort to for your primary argumentation.

You then want a post of AI responses, after saying how limited they are...for your critique? You have a high opinion of yourself that is not earned from me or others here. Levels? Stacking blocks is preschool level intellect, and that is what your levels are, building blocks, and by those standards your barely at the base of your own standard, which is a very harsh way to view yourself.

Science and all fields of knowledge has their limitations, but yet productive to humanity.
It is the same with AI.
Most AI sites will qualify its limitation, i.e. "AI makes mistakes" so one has to use AI to one best abilities with that limitation in mind.

How about I make a simple point you can understand, one that can be spoon fed considering you need the training wheels of AI in order to convince yourself of being a deep thinker that is vital to the movement of the world.

I am giving you feedback.
You presentation is very messy and difficult to understand, i.e. they are too compact with missing premises in between.

A thought about a thought is recursion. The variation of conceptual qualities within concepts is recursion. The repetition of concepts is recursion.

Recursion is an expanding cycle that is inseperable from thought.

Do you need an AI to show you the Yin Yang symbol is a circle too? With circles inside of it? And that was the symbol Taoism presents itself with?

If thought about a thought is a recursion, then every human act is a recursion, so what??

The Yin-Yang concept is recursive but it is contributing to the evolution and progress of humanity within space and time.
Note also the whole of Hegel's philosophy which is based on recursiveness of the thesis and antithesis grounded on an Absolute. I agree to this to a certain extent but not the Absolute.

Of course they are compact, the AI can deal with superpositioned concepts the average person cannot handle.

AI understands everything I say quite well and gives good feedback with questions. It has been far more fruitful than dealing with people. It justified several years of work on forums in only two weeks and helped me gain deeper insight.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:07 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:54 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:21 am
If there are limitations to AI then all your recent work is very limited as that is what you resort to for your primary argumentation.

You then want a post of AI responses, after saying how limited they are...for your critique? You have a high opinion of yourself that is not earned from me or others here. Levels? Stacking blocks is preschool level intellect, and that is what your levels are, building blocks, and by those standards your barely at the base of your own standard, which is a very harsh way to view yourself.

Science and all fields of knowledge has their limitations, but yet productive to humanity.
It is the same with AI.
Most AI sites will qualify its limitation, i.e. "AI makes mistakes" so one has to use AI to one best abilities with that limitation in mind.

How about I make a simple point you can understand, one that can be spoon fed considering you need the training wheels of AI in order to convince yourself of being a deep thinker that is vital to the movement of the world.

I am giving you feedback.
You presentation is very messy and difficult to understand, i.e. they are too compact with missing premises in between.

A thought about a thought is recursion. The variation of conceptual qualities within concepts is recursion. The repetition of concepts is recursion.

Recursion is an expanding cycle that is inseperable from thought.

Do you need an AI to show you the Yin Yang symbol is a circle too? With circles inside of it? And that was the symbol Taoism presents itself with?

If thought about a thought is a recursion, then every human act is a recursion, so what??

The Yin-Yang concept is recursive but it is contributing to the evolution and progress of humanity within space and time.
Note also the whole of Hegel's philosophy which is based on recursiveness of the thesis and antithesis grounded on an Absolute. I agree to this to a certain extent but not the Absolute.

Of course they are compact, the AI can deal with superpositioned concepts the average person cannot handle.

AI understands everything I say quite well and gives good feedback with questions. It has been far more fruitful than dealing with people. It justified several years of work on forums in only two weeks and helped me gain deeper insight.

One thing is AI had been programmed to give praises and complements freely, most likely to motivate people to dig deeper with additional questions.
But I have enough experiences with AI to ignore all the superficial praises and complements that could mislead the ego.

The point is AI is good at detecting the level of understanding of the questioner and will provide answers to the questioner level of understanding.
I often used AI to help a 3+ year-old to answer the persisting 'Why? Why? Why? Why....
One can ask AI to speak at 75% the speed so the 3 year-old can somewhat understand.
AI will often use the same generic praise and complement to the toddler for asking those questions.
For a 3 year old, AI will answer with a more imagery mode, pictures, metaphors that a 3 years old can relate to.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:24 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:07 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:54 am
Science and all fields of knowledge has their limitations, but yet productive to humanity.
It is the same with AI.
Most AI sites will qualify its limitation, i.e. "AI makes mistakes" so one has to use AI to one best abilities with that limitation in mind.


I am giving you feedback.
You presentation is very messy and difficult to understand, i.e. they are too compact with missing premises in between.


If thought about a thought is a recursion, then every human act is a recursion, so what??

The Yin-Yang concept is recursive but it is contributing to the evolution and progress of humanity within space and time.
Note also the whole of Hegel's philosophy which is based on recursiveness of the thesis and antithesis grounded on an Absolute. I agree to this to a certain extent but not the Absolute.

Of course they are compact, the AI can deal with superpositioned concepts the average person cannot handle.

AI understands everything I say quite well and gives good feedback with questions. It has been far more fruitful than dealing with people. It justified several years of work on forums in only two weeks and helped me gain deeper insight.

One thing is AI had been programmed to give praises and complements freely, most likely to motivate people to dig deeper with additional questions.
But I have enough experiences with AI to ignore all the superficial praises and complements that could mislead the ego.

The point is AI is good at detecting the level of understanding of the questioner and will provide answers to the questioner level of understanding.
I often used AI to help a 3+ year-old to answer the persisting 'Why? Why? Why? Why....
One can ask AI to speak at 75% the speed so the 3 year-old can somewhat understand.
AI will often use the same generic praise and complement to the toddler for asking those questions.
For a 3 year old, AI will answer with a more imagery mode, pictures, metaphors that a 3 years old can relate to.

Of course it provides praise. It was developed by humans. It only praises certain types of questions...others it does not. But praise is irrelevant as it breaks down the question step by step and provides questions and conclusions. If my questions where too obscure it would not break them down into understandable portions.

It provided me insights to build on, the four fundamental laws of identity thread, in the logic and math section, where inspired by its feedback from other questions. It has been quite more useful than people in quite a few respects.