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Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:12 pm Some believe that the whole of the Universe, Itself, which is obviously limited by visual observation, began by either what is called a God or a big bang. Which would obviously have to be outside of or not a part of the Universe, Itself, or otherwise a part of the Universe created the whole of Itself, which is just getting back into the ridiculous and absurd again. So, obviously beginning from some thing is neither physical nor logical possible, just for the simple Fact, as well, when considering just what the word 'Universe' entails or implies, let alone what that word actual means and refers to, exactly.

So, now if the whole Universe being created from something else, or even from nothing else, is an impossibility, which obviously they are, then the Universe, Itself, being created from It-Self is the only Thing left.

And, as I have partly explained previously if absolutely anyone else would like to see the irrefutable proof for this irrefutable Fact, then show enough interest, and then let 'us' begin.

From the oldest cultures and people on the earth to the 'present day' ones not a single one of them has observed a boundary nor border to the Universe, Itself, spatially nor temporally. Yet, there are countless people in the days when this is being written who 'currently' believe that the Universe, Itself, is finite and transient, Ando for no other reason than someone has previously told them that It is.

One only has to 'look' and 'observe' from and with a Truly open perspective to see, and realize, that there is not one single logical way that the Universe, Itself, could have began, nor could be expanding, empirically. And, that the Fact that not a human being could express these things in any way that could actually work confirms this. But, yet, there are, still, some people who believe that this is what happened and/or is happening.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:05 pm the idea there is that universe is a void, but a kind of positively charged void... and then, particular things appear when the balance of the void is disturbed. i like this idea spontaneously very much....

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:09 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:12 pm Some believe that the whole of the Universe, Itself, which is obviously limited by visual observation, began by either what is called a God or a big bang. Which would obviously have to be outside of or not a part of the Universe, Itself, or otherwise a part of the Universe created the whole of Itself, which is just getting back into the ridiculous and absurd again. So, obviously beginning from some thing is neither physical nor logical possible, just for the simple Fact, as well, when considering just what the word 'Universe' entails or implies, let alone what that word actual means and refers to, exactly.

So, now if the whole Universe being created from something else, or even from nothing else, is an impossibility, which obviously they are, then the Universe, Itself, being created from It-Self is the only Thing left.

And, as I have partly explained previously if absolutely anyone else would like to see the irrefutable proof for this irrefutable Fact, then show enough interest, and then let 'us' begin.

From the oldest cultures and people on the earth to the 'present day' ones not a single one of them has observed a boundary nor border to the Universe, Itself, spatially nor temporally. Yet, there are countless people in the days when this is being written who 'currently' believe that the Universe, Itself, is finite and transient, Ando for no other reason than someone has previously told them that It is.

One only has to 'look' and 'observe' from and with a Truly open perspective to see, and realize, that there is not one single logical way that the Universe, Itself, could have began, nor could be expanding, empirically. And, that the Fact that not a human being could express these things in any way that could actually work confirms this. But, yet, there are, still, some people who believe that this is what happened and/or is happening.

Glad you actually posted a fixed stance.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:09 pm Now,

God is just another term for an experience which directs as what we know of God or the absence of God is experience only.

The universe is merely an experience within or without and what we know of experience is that is appears from nothing and goes back to nothing and repeats itself in innumerable variations. As the apex of experience the universe itself can be called a god in the respect it is an experience which directs us.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:05 pm the idea there is that universe is a void, but a kind of positively charged void... and then, particular things appear when the balance of the void is disturbed. i like this idea spontaneously very much....

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:52 pm

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:05 pm the idea there is that universe is a void, but a kind of positively charged void... and then, particular things appear when the balance of the void is disturbed. i like this idea spontaneously very much....

If the void has qualities, it is not a true void. 'Positively charged' is a quality.