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A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
by bahman
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism? Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism? Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:14 pm
by seeds
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism?
First you have to tell us what "A" theory of time has to say about time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism?
Same question as above. What is this "B" theory of time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
Who says it does?
Explain to us how special relativity entails eternalism?
What's with all of these vague questions, bahman?
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Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:02 pm
by bahman
seeds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:14 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism?
First you have to tell us what "A" theory of time has to say about time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism?
Same question as above. What is this "B" theory of time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
Who says it does?
Explain to us how special relativity entails eternalism?
What's with all of these vague questions, bahman?
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Ok, I searched last night after posting this thread and I found two interesting articles you might be interested to read:
This and
this.
Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:53 pm
by seeds
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:02 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:14 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism?
First you have to tell us what "A" theory of time has to say about time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism?
Same question as above. What is this "B" theory of time?
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 5:31 pm
Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
Who says it does?
Explain to us how special relativity entails eternalism?
What's with all of these vague questions, bahman?
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Ok, I searched last night after posting this thread and I found two interesting articles you might be interested to read:
This and
this.
So then, are we to understand that when you initially posted the questions in your OP, you had no idea of what it was you were asking?
And that after posting those questions, you had to search the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the first "
this"), along with some obscure and densely written, 30-page article on special relativity (the other "
this"), in order to find out what your own questions actually entailed?
And now you expect us to go to those same densely written sources to find the answers to your questions?
Good grief, bahman, instead of your OP reading as follows...
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism? Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism? Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
...it should have read like this...
If you would like to know how A theory of time entails presentism, and how B theory of time entails eternalism, and why special relativity entails eternalism, then click on the following links and they will take you to some obscure and densely written articles -
This and
this - where you can find the answers.
Try again, bahman.
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Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:35 pm
by bahman
seeds wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 4:53 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:02 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:14 pm
First you have to tell us what "A" theory of time has to say about time?
Same question as above. What is this "B" theory of time?
Who says it does?
Explain to us how special relativity entails eternalism?
What's with all of these vague questions, bahman?
_______
Ok, I searched last night after posting this thread and I found two interesting articles you might be interested to read:
This and
this.
So then, are we to understand that when you initially posted the questions in your OP, you had no idea of what it was you were asking?
And that after posting those questions, you had to search the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the first "
this"), along with some obscure and densely written, 30-page article on special relativity (the other "
this"), in order to find out what your own questions actually entailed?
And now you expect us to go to those same densely written sources to find the answers to your questions?
Good grief, bahman, instead of your OP reading as follows...
Do you know how A theory of time entails presentism? Do you know how B theory of time entails eternalism? Why does special relativity entail eternalism?
...it should have read like this...
If you would like to know how A theory of time entails presentism, and how B theory of time entails eternalism, and why special relativity entails eternalism, then click on the following links and they will take you to some obscure and densely written articles -
This and
this - where you can find the answers.
Try again, bahman.
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I didn't expect you to read those articles and explain them to me!
Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:49 pm
by seeds
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:35 pm
I didn't expect you to read those articles and explain them to me!
That wasn't the point, bahman.
The point was that
you should have explained them to us in your OP.
However, you, by your own admission, didn't seem to know anything about those particular articles until after you started this thread, which, in turn, has us discussing how poorly conceived your OP is, instead of discussing what might have been some interesting ideas about time, presentism, relativity, and eternalism.
Like I suggested earlier, try again, and maybe we can salvage something from this mess.
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Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:39 am
by bahman
seeds wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:49 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 5:35 pm
I didn't expect you to read those articles and explain them to me!
That wasn't the point, bahman.
The point was that
you should have explained them to us in your OP.
However, you, by your own admission, didn't seem to know anything about those particular articles until after you started this thread, which, in turn, has us discussing how poorly conceived your OP is, instead of discussing what might have been some interesting ideas about time, presentism, relativity, and eternalism.
Like I suggested earlier, try again, and maybe we can salvage something from this mess.
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Are you interested in the topic? If yes, just read! I am currently reading the articles and other ones.
Re: A and B theories of time and special relativity
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:02 pm
by alan1000
I'd like to throw in another consideration which, on my initial reading, hasn't been mentioned: in religious philosophy, at least, there are two distinct definitions of "eternal":
(1) existing within time, but time without end (and possibly without beginning);
(2) existing outside of time, so that time can be surveyed much as we mortals would survey a geometrical drawing.
One of these is labelled as "sempiternal", but my knowledge of (and interest in) religious philosophy is so rusty I can't remember which.