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Can a woman love a man just as much as men love women?

Atla says men love women, but doesn’t think women can love men equally the same as a man loves them.

Are women just Jezebel’s in a man’s eye, and could men ever believe that there are women out-there who could love them just as equally as they love them.

Discuss.

the brains are wired differently and the hormones for each are different as well...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:43 pm the brains are wired differently and the hormones for each are different as well...

-Imp

Could knowing this help women understand why men just want women to love them equally in return as they do them?

Is the struggle because of the differences and is why men and women seem to be on two different planets from each other, both emotionally and intellectually.

How do we reach a place of mutual love, harmony and peace with each other, is it ever possible since we will always be wired differently upstairs?

And can we only operate and function in a way that is determined by how our brains are wired. Can we get past our differences and love each other anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs_dF00PD4
You Just Can't Win Today As A Man

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For anyone thinking what Terry's saying only applies to the US, I live in Belgium near the French border, and I have a lot of family in Italy too. I can tell you that in all three countries it's EXACTLY the same, and everything he says makes total sense. What we're experiencing is a breakdown of historical social relations, it's not about geography or culture.

Conclusion: Until men and women, or any other sexual orientation, until they all learn how to love each other unconditionally, then all relationships are doomed.

No one said it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:44 pm No one said it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it.

Nothing is easy until it's effortless effort.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:03 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:44 pm No one said it was going to be easy, just that it would be worth it.

Nothing is easy until it's effortless effort.

That's right.

However, Effortless effort, stills requires effort in any relation ship (twoness)

Easy implies something is not hard, so easy is only easy when it is not being hard. Or hard is only hard when it's not being easy.

That's which is simple is complicated, and that which is complicated is simple.

Unconditional is the only way to be, when it comes to successful one on one relation with another. Else they must part ways, and be separate again..


Just as one God is ( absolute) unconditional - so two is God's relation ( relative ) unconditional - in this relation ship we all sail in together as one, because ONE can never be TWO
And Two can never be ONE

“We may have all come on different ships, but we’re in the same boat now.”

We all entered life the same way, and we all will leave life same way. We're all in the same boat, either staying or leaving.

Men and /women ..if you refuse to put any effort or hard work into making your relationships work.

Then just forget relationships and stay alone, all one. Relation implies (two ) opposites, which is both light and dark, positive and negative, happy and sad, loving and hating, despairing and joyous.

You have to find balance and not just be in favour of one side of a character trait, while rejecting the other as unacceptable. When you reject one side in favour of the other, that is like expecting yourself to be one sided or nothing at all, and no one can be one side, no more than you can have only half a body. You have to accept both character traits equally, else you'll both be out of balance and you will never find the one in the other, and the other in the one.

It's rare to find this one true unconditional love. And most people on this earth are just too fucking lazy to even bother trying to look for this one in the two.

Some people do find the one in the two, but those that do not...it's their loss.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:07 pm Can a woman love a man just as much as men love women?

Yes, a woman can love a man, but not unconditionally. Same for a man to love a woman. Unconditional love does not exist, and certainly not long term.

You cannot keep getting what you want, if the other side does not get what they want.

At the basis of every relationship, there is a stream of transactional exchange events. Ignore that at your own peril.

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:48 pm Men and /women ..if you refuse to put any effort or hard work into making your relationships work.

Traditional men don't do that, and traditional women do not expect it. A traditional man provides. Don't expect more from him, because he won't do it. He provides and she keeps him happy. For her, her man is her priority. For him, his job is his priority.

So, if you are wondering why modern relationships cannot possibly work, there is no need to look further.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:09 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:07 pm Can a woman love a man just as much as men love women?

Yes, a woman can love a man, but not unconditionally. Same for a man to love a woman. Unconditional love does not exist, and certainly not long term.

You cannot keep getting what you want, if the other side does not get what they want.

At the basis of every relationship, there is a stream of transactional exchange events. Ignore that at your own peril.

So are you implying that where there are two is already a condition. So it's doomed, nobody wins. Not men, not women ?

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:15 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:48 pm Men and /women ..if you refuse to put any effort or hard work into making your relationships work.

Traditional men don't do that, and traditional women do not expect it. A traditional man provides. Don't expect more from him, because he won't do it. He provides and she keeps him happy. For her, her man is her priority. For him, his job is his priority.

So, if you are wondering why modern relationships cannot possibly work, there is no need to look further.

Yes, ok, I understand. Thanks.

But what do you think about the older generation. The people who have retired and are no longer in jobs.

Can their love be made to work unconditionally? What are your views on that?

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:20 am But what do you think about the older generation. The people who have retired and are no longer in jobs.
Can their love be made to work unconditionally? What are your views on that?

No. They do the thing they do because they want to get something out of it. I admit that some people are indeed better than others at hiding underlying motivation. So, beware of manipulation tactics. You have to learn to see through the smokescreen. In fact, the most pleasant people to deal with are the ones who are upfront about what they really want. There is always something that they want from you. If you are of no use to the other person, he/she will stop wasting his time on you and move on. Unconditional love is a fairy tale.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:38 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:20 am But what do you think about the older generation. The people who have retired and are no longer in jobs.
Can their love be made to work unconditionally? What are your views on that?

No. They do the thing they do because they want to get something out of it. I admit that some people are indeed better than others at hiding underlying motivation. So, beware of manipulation tactics. You have to learn to see through the smokescreen. In fact, the most pleasant people to deal with are the ones who are upfront about what they really want. There is always something that they want from you. If you are of no use to the other person, he/she will stop wasting his time on you and move on. Unconditional love is a fairy tale.

I agree and well said

I had a similar experience recently with someone, I ignored all the red flags in hope of the fairytale being real, it wasn’t and I already knew I was deceiving and deluding myself.

I choose to live alone, because of that fact. I’m happier alone. Not looking for anyone, but then someone pursued me, and I took a chance but it was the worst decision I ever took.
The relationship I was in recently was in reality like a living hell for me personally because I knew I was only chasing rainbows and unicorns.

It’s over now thank goodness.

I was only in love with the idea of love which I know now doesn’t exist.

Fools rush in where angels fear to thread I guess.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:38 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:20 am But what do you think about the older generation. The people who have retired and are no longer in jobs.
Can their love be made to work unconditionally? What are your views on that?

No. They do the thing they do because they want to get something out of it. I admit that some people are indeed better than others at hiding underlying motivation. So, beware of manipulation tactics. You have to learn to see through the smokescreen. In fact, the most pleasant people to deal with are the ones who are upfront about what they really want. There is always something that they want from you. If you are of no use to the other person, he/she will stop wasting his time on you and move on. Unconditional love is a fairy tale.

What's wrong with fairy tales? Of course "falling in love with love is falling for make believe". So what? We create our own realities through our imaginations.

I recognize that you are referring to romantic love, but what about the love of parents for their children or children for their parents? Ignoring the deadbeat dads accelafine mentions, both seem close to "unconditional". Don't some children care for their cognitively or physically disabled aging parents? Isn't that close to "unconditional love"? For that matter, don't some spouses care for their spouses who are disabled? Hmmm. Isn't that close to "unconditional love".

I'll grant that nobody could expect such love from godelian, who seems like a selfish egotist.