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What do you guys think about the idea that there is only ONE OF US HERE?


I’m being serious, if you think about it, there really is only one of us here.

The ancients knew this too, it’s not a new idea. So does this shock or offend you, or does it liberate or put you in a state of pure blessed relief?

Discuss.

Why should anyone think that rather than just accept the plain appearances ... that there are multiple entities.

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:30 pm Why should anyone think that rather than just accept the plain appearances ... that there are multiple entities.

Why not think that?

Especially for truth seekers, why wouldn’t they want to include that part of reality. There’s two sides to the same one coin, so to speak, and every single thinker will have different thoughts, feelings, and beliefs as to what counts as truth, when it comes to truth seeking.

That’s why.

Also, when truth is found, that moment is when all religion and philosophy is discarded.

But, if one doesn’t want their philosophy and religion to come to a final conclusion, or end. Then this thread topic is not for you, maybe, but you are still welcome to drop by anytime, and all critique is very welcome. Thank you, come again.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm What do you guys think about the idea that there is only ONE OF US HERE?

The word 'us' implies two, or more.

Now, there is only One. Which just gets 'separated', conceptually only, by what are called human beings.

But, this was and is a necessity for human beings to 'make sense' of and to comprehend and understand the Universe in which they have found "themselves" within.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm I’m being serious, if you think about it, there really is only one of us here.

I am being serious also. There is only One 'I'.

However, when the conceptualized 'us', (that is; more than one), are 'working together, as One', that is; 'looking at' and 'seeing' together as One, then 'we' are 'the One'. But, until then the 'us' is just 'you', conceptually, separated individual different human beings, 'looking' and 'seeing' differently, from different perspectives.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm The ancients knew this too, it’s not a new idea.

That is because 'that One' did not 'look at' and 'see' from different perspectives, and thus also did not 'work apart'.

And, what 'you' are, individually, calling 'the ancients', still, exist even in the days when this is being written.

The so-called 'new idea' was never even 'old idea' to the so-called 'ancients', because there only being One is just what the Truth, always, IS.

you human beings have just had to name and label 'the One' into the most smallest that you could, in order to 'make sense' and say, write, and explain 'the One' how 'It' Truly, always, IS.

This living as One, then learning how to, conceptually, dissect, and giving and providing label, names, or words to all of the, perceived, 'different parts' so that one day 'all' could be put back together, again, as One, was, and is, just a part of the evolving Universe coming-to-know the (or "Its") Self.

Whatever stage 'you' are, a 'perceiving/contemplating thing' is, 'in', then 'this' is just 'a part' of the evolution process, itself.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm So does this shock or offend you, or does it liberate or put you in a state of pure blessed relief?

Discuss.

None of these. As 'it' was, already, known, and understood, further and fully I will add.

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:30 pm Why should anyone think that rather than just accept the plain appearances ... that there are multiple entities.

Because do 'you', perceived, so-called 'plain apparent entities' prefer to know, irrefutably, the actual and full Truth, instead of just presuming or believing that 'you' do?

Now, of course, there is the one single 'thing', known as 'matter', which has formed into differing individual and separated shapes or forms known as 'human bodies', in which within their are different and individual 'thoughts' that have also gone the name and label 'multiple entities'. But, considering the fact that 'you', 'multiply entties, in the days when this is being written anyway, are, still, trying to 'work out', and comprehend, understand, and know, who and what each and every one of 'you' is, exactly, as well as who and what 'I' am, exactly, then it could be rather ridiculous, ludicrous, and/or nonsensical to 'just accept' some thing like 'you', individually, do above here.

One could ask you, Why should anyone 'just accept' what is not yet known or has not yet been proved True?

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:52 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:30 pm Why should anyone think that rather than just accept the plain appearances ... that there are multiple entities.

Why not think that?

Especially for truth seekers, why wouldn’t they want to include that part of reality. There’s two sides to the same one coin, so to speak, and every single thinker will have different thoughts, feelings, and beliefs as to what counts as truth, when it comes to truth seeking.

Does not every one of 'you' human beings only just count what is irrefutable, fact, or that has already been proved True, as to being 'truth, itself'?

If you do not, then 'you' could individually think, feel, or believe absolutely any thing is true. As 'you' posters are showing, and proving, 'for me', here.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm That’s why.

Also, when truth is found, that moment is when all religion and philosophy is discarded.

But why would the 'love-of-wisdom' be 'discarded' just because 'a truth' has been found.

Were you not yet aware that 'learning more', and thus 'becoming wiser', is infinite? And, this is because there is an infinite amount of knowledge 'to learn', comprehend, and understand in this One and only, infinite and eternal, Universe.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm But, if one doesn’t want their philosophy and religion to come to a final conclusion, or end.

Oh, when you said and claimed, 'all religion and philosophy', above you were just referring to what is referred to as your own personal and individual religion and philosophy only. Which, by the way, does not necessarily, really, have much at all to do with what is, actually, True, and Right, Itself.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm Then this thread topic is not for you, maybe, but you are still welcome to drop by anytime, and all critique is very welcome. Thank you, come again.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm What do you guys think about the idea that there is only ONE OF US HERE?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:49 amThe word 'us' implies two, or more.

Now, there is only One. Which just gets 'separated', conceptually only, by what are called human beings.

But, this was and is a necessity for human beings to 'make sense' of and to comprehend and understand the Universe in which they have found "themselves" within.

Yes, I agree with that clarified correction of what is truth.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:49 amI’m being serious, if you think about it, there really is only one of us here.

I am being serious also. There is only One 'I'.

However, when the conceptualized 'us', (that is; more than one), are 'working together, as One', that is; 'looking at' and 'seeing' together as One, then 'we' are 'the One'. But, until then the 'us' is just 'you', conceptually, separated individual different human beings, 'looking' and 'seeing' differently, from different perspectives.

Yes, I agree with that clarified correction of what is truth.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm The ancients knew this too, it’s not a new idea.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:49 amThat is because 'that One' did not 'look at' and 'see' from different perspectives, and thus also did not 'work apart'.

And, what 'you' are, individually, calling 'the ancients', still, exist even in the days when this is being written.

The so-called 'new idea' was never even 'old idea' to the so-called 'ancients', because there only being One is just what the Truth, always, IS.

you human beings have just had to name and label 'the One' into the most smallest that you could, in order to 'make sense' and say, write, and explain 'the One' how 'It' Truly, always, IS.

This living as One, then learning how to, conceptually, dissect, and giving and providing label, names, or words to all of the, perceived, 'different parts' so that one day 'all' could be put back together, again, as One, was, and is, just a part of the evolving Universe coming-to-know the (or "Its") Self.

Whatever stage 'you' are, a 'perceiving/contemplating thing' is, 'in', then 'this' is just 'a part' of the evolution process, itself.

Totally agree with this truth as well.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm So does this shock or offend you, or does it liberate or put you in a state of pure blessed relief?

Discuss.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:49 amNone of these. As 'it' was, already, known, and understood, further and fully I will add.

It shocked me and at the same time liberated me from the suffering heavy burden, the chore of being a human being thinking and believing that it was the doer, when it wasn't. So it felt good to die to the illusory me, and be home once again with the beloved, the one. The only one, the free unconditional love I truly am.

The character in the dream of separation, conceptually known as ''fairy'' has always been seen to be the walking dead. Except it wasn't known, until it was.

In the conceptual story of the named one. The named character is born alone, lives alone, and dies alone. Why, because there is only ONE, there is no room in here for two ones..

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:50 am
One could ask you, Why should anyone 'just accept' what is not yet known or has not yet been proved True?

What is not yet known, will eventually become known. When something is knowable, then this knowable something can never be unknowable.

However, that which is “unknowable” can never be known. It’s never a “someone” who knows. You already are the knowing that cannot be known.
The You that is already the knowing, can never be that which is known, because that which is known, knows nothing, why, because there is only knowing, one without a second. You are this knowing already…you are Not what is known. You are not a known object, an object is never your direct experience, your direct experience is pure emptiness and infinite space in which every thing arises and falls away in. Nothing that appears and disappears can be grasped onto, because they only exist as illusory appearances.

What is this pointing to you might ask?
Well, a known thing, is not the thing that knows, because that what ACTUALLY knows, is not a thing, think about that. An object cannot know anything, it doesn’t have to, an object is already being known by the only knowing there is, one without a second.


The I or the you, same one, is the only one here.

Just as the hand cannot hold that hand. The hand is completely one, it doesn’t require another hand to complete itself.
That’s simply how it is. Self-evident. The hand can’t grasp it’s own hand, because the hand already is the hand.

Age:

But why would the 'love-of-wisdom' be 'discarded' just because 'a truth' has been found.

Because the idea that there is a truth to be found, means that truth must already exist. Then that’s when the realisation dawns, you already are this truth, and at that point comes the awakening to truth of your actual being, and no further inquiry is necessary or needed, you just live out the rest of your life shining.

Of course, if you want to carry on mentally masturbating with yourself, then that’s perfectly fine, it’s really all about the love for yourself that keeps you infinitely satisfied, you are only making love to yourself, for your own amusement and entertainment.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm What do you guys think about the idea that there is only ONE OF US HERE?


I’m being serious, if you think about it, there really is only one of us here.

The ancients knew this too, it’s not a new idea. So does this shock or offend you, or does it liberate or put you in a state of pure blessed relief?

Discuss.

It doesn't shock me, but as you've said it's been around and I've encountered it before.

How about there is one person here AND there are a number of people here. I don't think these need be mutually exclusive. And one could take both seriously.

thoughts

-Imp

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:23 pm What do you guys think about the idea that there is only ONE OF US HERE?


I’m being serious, if you think about it, there really is only one of us here.

The ancients knew this too, it’s not a new idea. So does this shock or offend you, or does it liberate or put you in a state of pure blessed relief?

Discuss.

It puts me in a state of Omphaloskepsis. Like all philosophy.

Chasing your own tail's a lot of fun. But what happens when you catch it?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:50 am
One could ask you, Why should anyone 'just accept' what is not yet known or has not yet been proved True?

What is not yet known, will eventually become known.

How do 'you', supposedly, 'know' this?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am When something is knowable, then this knowable something can never be unknowable.

I agree.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am However, that which is “unknowable” can never be known.

But, how could one, Accurately, claim that some thing is 'unknowable'?

Only when what is claimed to be 'unknowable' is shared, could the actual irrefutable Truth, here, become 'known'.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am It’s never a “someone” who knows. You already are the knowing that cannot be known.

But, who and/or what is the 'you', exactly?

The word 'you' implies 'another', which could not be true if there is only One.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am The You that is already the knowing, can never be that which is known, because that which is known, knows nothing, why, because there is only knowing, one without a second.

So, the claim that there is a 'you' or a 'You' is just False and/or Wrong.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am You are this knowing already…you are Not what is known. You are not a known object, an object is never your direct experience, your direct experience is pure emptiness and infinite space in which every thing arises and falls away in.

So, who and/or what is the 'one' here who is telling the 'you', or the cother one', what is, supposedly, true and right here?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 amNothing that appears and disappears can be grasped onto, because they only exist as illusory appearances.

'Illusory' to who and/or what, exactly?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am What is this pointing to you might ask?

Who and/or what is this 'you', exactly who might be asking 'the question', here?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am Well, a known thing, is not the thing that knows, because that what ACTUALLY knows, is not a thing, think about that.

'I' have. And, 'I' am, still, wondering why 'you' believe, absolutely, that the One and only one can never ever 'know' who and what 'It' is, exactly?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am An object cannot know anything, it doesn’t have to, an object is already being known by the only knowing there is, one without a second.

Why do 'you', continue, to believe, absolutely, that the one and only One 'I' is 'an object'?

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am The I or the you, same one, is the only one here.

But, the word 'I', literally, means and refers to One, whereas, the word 'you', literally, means and refers to 'another one's. Thus, if there is a 'you', then thee is at least two.

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:25 am Just as the hand cannot hold that hand. The hand is completely one, it doesn’t require another hand to complete itself.
That’s simply how it is. Self-evident. The hand can’t grasp it’s own hand, because the hand already is the hand.

But, the 'hand' is neither 'you', nor 'I'.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:54 am Chasing your own tail's a lot of fun. But what happens when you catch it?

When you catch it, you realise you are both the catcher and the caught, catching itself.
This action is an automatic self-sustaining feedback L00P

Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:15 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:54 am Chasing your own tail's a lot of fun. But what happens when you catch it?

When you catch it, you realise you are both the catcher and the caught, catching itself.
This action is an automatic self-sustaining feedback L00P

I get dizzy on the Merry-go-round.