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Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things, regarding what are usually perceived to be previous philosophical topics?

If yes, then if we;
1. Firstly discuss what the words within the topic mean, or are referring to, exactly.
2. And we all come to an agreement, and an acceptance, of what the definitions of those words will be in our following discussion.
3. Then, if we proceed by just discussing what 'it' is that no one could refute 'here', only.
4. Then, if we, all in the discussion, do this peacefully, and harmoniously, then we will arrive at, and uncover, what the actual irrefutable Truth is, here, exactly.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:15 pm Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things,

Define exactly what you mean by "things".

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:15 pm Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things,

Define exactly what you mean by "things".

If I removed the words, 'of things', then would this help you here?

If no, then all, separated individually;

I used the word 'things' to just refer to what is, or could be, known, or can be conceived of or about. I just used the word 'things' to refer to absolutely all-there-is without putting a specific name or label onto each and all of 'them'.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:57 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:15 pm Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things,

Define exactly what you mean by "things".

If I removed the words, 'of things', then would this help you here?

If no, then all, separated individually;

I used the word 'things' to just refer to what is, or could be, known, or can be conceived of or about. I just used the word 'things' to refer to absolutely all-there-is without putting a specific name or label onto each and all of 'them'.

I think truth is important, so we should apply it to as many things as possible.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:15 pm Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things, regarding what are usually perceived to be previous philosophical topics?

If yes, then if we;
1. Firstly discuss what the words within the topic mean, or are referring to, exactly.
2. And we all come to an agreement, and an acceptance, of what the definitions of those words will be in our following discussion.
3. Then, if we proceed by just discussing what 'it' is that no one could refute 'here', only.
4. Then, if we, all in the discussion, do this peacefully, and harmoniously, then we will arrive at, and uncover, what the actual irrefutable Truth is, here, exactly.

1. Words within any topic refer only to their human mind made imagined meaning. Mentally constructed thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and concepts are the only frame of reference that humans use to relate with, that then seem to reveal a reality that seems convincingly real, that was previously, prior to imagination, just this silent unknown.

As each concept becomes known and familiar, this generates a narrative within the human mind. All narratives are an imagined superimposed conceptual overlay upon the unknown, formulating a real sense of feeling it is known. That’s the truth that is the nature of the human mind. Thoughts are things, and things are concepts which are made up of as many stories as there are people’s thoughts. All of which are spontaneously arising in what is ultimately this unknowing silence space.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 8:23 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:57 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 12:20 am

Define exactly what you mean by "things".

If I removed the words, 'of things', then would this help you here?

If no, then all, separated individually;

I used the word 'things' to just refer to what is, or could be, known, or can be conceived of or about. I just used the word 'things' to refer to absolutely all-there-is without putting a specific name or label onto each and all of 'them'.

I think truth is important, so we should apply it to as many things as possible.

I agree that it would be much better if 'we' applied 'truth', the 'whole truth', and nothing but 'the Truth' always, and in all ways.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:15 pm Is there any one here who would also like to find the actual Truth of things, regarding what are usually perceived to be previous philosophical topics?

If yes, then if we;
1. Firstly discuss what the words within the topic mean, or are referring to, exactly.
2. And we all come to an agreement, and an acceptance, of what the definitions of those words will be in our following discussion.
3. Then, if we proceed by just discussing what 'it' is that no one could refute 'here', only.
4. Then, if we, all in the discussion, do this peacefully, and harmoniously, then we will arrive at, and uncover, what the actual irrefutable Truth is, here, exactly.

1. Words within any topic refer only to their human mind made imagined meaning.

Is there a human mind'?

And, is there a difference from a so-called 'imagined meaning' to say a 'non-imagined meaning'?

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am Mentally constructed thoughts, ideas, beliefs, and concepts are the only frame of reference that humans use to relate with, that then seem to reveal a reality that seems convincingly real, that was previously, prior to imagination, just this silent unknown.

Why do you say and claim 'unknown'?

Also, are there any so-called 'mentally constructed thoughts', within 'that body', which reveal any 'understanding', or even 'knowing', in relation to there could be, or is, an already existing 'unconscious knowing', which has just not yet become 'consciously known'?

Furthermore, there are 'emotions', and even so-called 'gut-feelings', which are also used as a 'frame of reference' by you human beings in relation to what is sometimes called and referred to as 'reality'.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am As each concept becomes known and familiar, this generates a narrative within the human mind.

Once again there is no such thing as a human mind.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am All narratives are an imagined superimposed conceptual overlay upon the unknown, formulating a real sense of feeling it is known.

But some narratives speak of, say, talk about, or tell of what is actually, irrefutably, True and/or Right, and thus which are not just 'imaginations'. For example, 'I', the one and only One, exist is not just some so-called 'imagined superimposed conceptual overlay' upon some so-called 'unknown'. This is an unambiguously known Fact, which could not be refuted.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am That’s the truth that is the nature of the human mind.

So, to the one here known as "fairy" anyway, 'the truth' is 'the truth' cannot be known, and is just an 'imagined superimposed conceptual overly upon the unknown'.

Which, obviously, is just 'this one's', only, 'imagined concept, superimposed upon what is, supposedly, always absolutely unknown.

Which makes some wonder how and why 'this one' 'knows' what is absolutely true and right, when others do not, and more so when absolutely every thing is, supposed, to be 'unknown'.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am Thoughts are things,

Is there, literally, absolutely any 'thing' that is not 'a thing'?

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am and things are concepts

But, for example, the actual 'thing' that is a 'physical object', which is the conceptual word 'rock' refers to, and which is also conceptually known as and conceptually labelled 'rock' is not 'a concept'. And, all things that are the 'physical objects', themselves, are also not concepts.

Only the things that are 'concepts', 'are concepts'.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am which are made up of as many stories as there are people’s thoughts.

Just like there are no 'human minds' there are also no 'people's thoughts' neither.

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 10:04 am All of which are spontaneously arising in what is ultimately this unknowing silence space.

Thoughts, or stories, only 'spontaneously arise' when they are not being caused, to arise.

And, if a 'thought', or 'story', could arise without absolutely any cause, at all, then this would be Truly amazing.

So far there is not any one here who would like to find the Truth, the actual Truth, nor the Truth of things.

Which shows and explains why these people, back when this was written, took so, so long to, also, learning how to find the actual Truth, (or things), is, and was, so, so very simple and easy.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 6:16 am So far there is not any one here who would like to find the Truth, the actual Truth, nor the Truth of things.

Which shows and explains why these people, back when this was written, took so, so long to, also, learning how to find the actual Truth, (or things), is, and was, so, so very simple and easy.

There IS no truth. No truth is truth.

The truth IS Known, by no one, the only one.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 6:16 am So far there is not any one here who would like to find the Truth, the actual Truth, nor the Truth of things.

Which shows and explains why these people, back when this was written, took so, so long to, also, learning how to find the actual Truth, (or things), is, and was, so, so very simple and easy.

There IS no truth. No truth is truth.

Can 'you', really, not see the contradiction, hypocrisy, and self-refutation in that?

It is hypocritical, and a self-refuting contradiction to say and claim, 'There is no truth'.

Saying and claiming this is, again, the 'conceptual one' believing that 'it' knows more than the 'only One' does.

The Truth is, already, known by the only One. So, there, literally, IS Truth.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:36 am The truth IS Known, by no one, the only one.

Just because who the only One IS is invisible to human eyes this does not mean that 'this One' is 'no one'.

The only One is, obviously, 'some One', when the word 'some' can, literally, mean One; or more.

Using, practical magic involving rabbi, Elijah Ba’al Shem of Chelm, Poland. Truth meaning Emet remove the E and it becomes met, or, “Dead.” Use the name of God for the ultimate truth.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:07 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 6:16 am So far there is not any one here who would like to find the Truth, the actual Truth, nor the Truth of things.

Which shows and explains why these people, back when this was written, took so, so long to, also, learning how to find the actual Truth, (or things), is, and was, so, so very simple and easy.

There IS no truth. No truth is truth.

Can 'you', really, not see the contradiction, hypocrisy, and self-refutation in that?

It is hypocritical, and a self-refuting contradiction to say and claim, 'There is no truth'.

Saying and claiming this is, again, the 'conceptual one' believing that 'it' knows more than the 'only One' does.

The Truth is, already, known by the only One. So, there, literally, IS Truth.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:36 am The truth IS Known, by no one, the only one.

Just because who the only One IS is invisible to human eyes this does not mean that 'this One' is 'no one'.

The only One is, obviously, 'some One', when the word 'some' can, literally, mean One; or more.

Agreed.