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While the 'Universe' word is being defined as, and thus meaning and referring to, everything; all there is; totality, then the Universe, Itself, is infinite and eternal.

This is proved by the Fact that there is no border, boundary, nor end, spatially. And, to the Fact that what was existing before any claimed beginning was, again, just the Universe, Itself.

Now, for any claim that 'there was no before' a so-called 'big bang' is just absolute nonsense as this would mean that the 'big bang' occurred from absolutely nothing, at all. The illogical irrational absurdity of this claim speaks for itself. And, any claim that God created the Universe, literally, means that God, Itself, is the Universe, or a part of the Universe, Itself.

See, the fact that 'a bang' could have occurred, from one solitary infinite compression of matter, or singularity, just means that all matter from one particular area, or from the whole infinite area, was just compressed together with no space, nor distance, between 'it'. And, for that singularity to have been able to expand, then obviously there would have had to have been 'space', for 'matter' to expand out.

Now, both all 'matter', and, all 'space' is a part of everything, all there is, and totality, itself. Therefore, if there was 'matter', and, 'space' existing before what is called 'the big bang', then that was just how the Universe, Itself, just was.

And, for those who, still, want to claim that there was no 'time' before 'that bang', then obviously this is just because of what the 'time' means, and refers to, exactly, and what is able, or not able, to be done when there is only 'space', and, 'matter' existing when all the known matter is compressed together with all 'space' removed from 'matter'. That is, it is completely impossible to measure the duration between any perceived events. This is because at least two pieces of particles of matter have to be in Existence, or to be able to be witnessed, to be able to 'measure duration' or what some call 'tell (the) time'.

The Universe, Itself, is always existing, just within a continual change in way, shape, and/or form, and this continual change is happening and occurring in the HERE, and, NOW, always. And, in all ways some might also say and argue.

The Universe, Itself, is not bordered nor bounded by absolutely any thing, other than of course when you human beings limit your observations.

Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:39 am While the 'Universe' word is being defined as, and thus meaning and referring to, everything; all there is; totality, then the Universe, Itself, is infinite and eternal.

This is proved by the Fact that there is no border, boundary, nor end, spatially. And, to the Fact that what was existing before any claimed beginning was, again, just the Universe, Itself.

Now, for any claim that 'there was no before' a so-called 'big bang' is just absolute nonsense as this would mean that the 'big bang' occurred from absolutely nothing, at all. The illogical irrational absurdity of this claim speaks for itself. And, any claim that God created the Universe, literally, means that God, Itself, is the Universe, or a part of the Universe, Itself.

See, the fact that 'a bang' could have occurred, from one solitary infinite compression of matter, or singularity, just means that all matter from one particular area, or from the whole infinite area, was just compressed together with no space, nor distance, between 'it'. And, for that singularity to have been able to expand, then obviously there would have had to have been 'space', for 'matter' to expand out.

Now, both all 'matter', and, all 'space' is a part of everything, all there is, and totality, itself. Therefore, if there was 'matter', and, 'space' existing before what is called 'the big bang', then that was just how the Universe, Itself, just was.

And, for those who, still, want to claim that there was no 'time' before 'that bang', then obviously this is just because of what the 'time' means, and refers to, exactly, and what is able, or not able, to be done when there is only 'space', and, 'matter' existing when all the known matter is compressed together with all 'space' removed from 'matter'. That is, it is completely impossible to measure the duration between any perceived events. This is because at least two pieces of particles of matter have to be in Existence, or to be able to be witnessed, to be able to 'measure duration' or what some call 'tell (the) time'.

The Universe, Itself, is always existing, just within a continual change in way, shape, and/or form, and this continual change is happening and occurring in the HERE, and, NOW, always. And, in all ways some might also say and argue.

The Universe, Itself, is not bordered nor bounded by absolutely any thing, other than of course when you human beings limit your observations.

Well explained-thank you. Agreed!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:16 am Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

I agree with this. thank you.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:16 am Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then:

These cycles sound like a matter of energy distribution,
which means that energy is high in some places,
and energy low in other places,
which is just so inequitable.

Maximum low entropy would begin cycling towards an equitable distribution of energy throughout Age's universe,
causing every place to eventually not have much energy,
every place would be the same,
which in human terms,
is the ostensible Socialist goal of destroying concentrations of wealth,
which is the Socialist goal of socially engineering high entropy.

- The concept of bodhisattva is enlightenment for all and not just for oneself. Low entropy for all!
- The concept of Socialism is Equity, and the physical world we know bound by time indicates all energy evenly distributed throughout Age's imagined universe can only be a condition of high entropy, each lonely atom separated by infinite space, all equally energy deprived.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:55 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:16 am Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then:

These cycles sound like a matter of energy distribution,
which means that energy is high in some places,
and energy low in other places,
which is just so inequitable.

Maximum low entropy would begin cycling towards an equitable distribution of energy throughout Age's universe,
causing every place to eventually not have much energy,
every place would be the same,
which in human terms,
is the ostensible Socialist goal of destroying concentrations of wealth,
which is the Socialist goal of socially engineering high entropy.

- The concept of bodhisattva is enlightenment for all and not just for oneself. Low entropy for all!
- The concept of Socialism is Equity, and the physical world we know bound by time indicates all energy evenly distributed throughout Age's imagined universe can only be a condition of high entropy, each lonely atom separated by infinite space, all equally energy deprived.

So the universe has a tendency towards socialism?

Well, as mere human beings, who are we to ignore the wishes of the universe?

Thank you for putting that into perspective, Walker.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:23 am So the universe has a tendency towards socialism?

Well, as mere human beings, who are we to ignore the wishes of the universe?

Thank you for putting that into perspective, Walker.

Oh no, don't tell me Führer Keir Starmer is going to be Emperor of the Universe.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:23 am So the universe has a tendency towards socialism?

Well, as mere human beings, who are we to ignore the wishes of the universe?

Thank you for putting that into perspective, Walker.

So, a real godless universe (as opposed to the imagined universe) has a tendency towards socialism, resulting in Communism.

However, what is the force that organizes high and low energy concentrations within the Higgs field?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:35 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:23 am So the universe has a tendency towards socialism?

Well, as mere human beings, who are we to ignore the wishes of the universe?

Thank you for putting that into perspective, Walker.

So, a real godless universe (as opposed to the imagined universe) has a tendency towards socialism, resulting in Communism.

However, what is the force that organizes high and low energy concentrations within the Higgs field?

I imagine farmer Higgs is in charge of all that.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:27 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:23 am So the universe has a tendency towards socialism?

Well, as mere human beings, who are we to ignore the wishes of the universe?

Thank you for putting that into perspective, Walker.

Oh no, don't tell me Führer Keir Starmer is going to be Emperor of the Universe.

Okay, I won't tell you that, fishy.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:24 pm I imagine farmer Higgs is in charge of all that.

The nameless thing of a thousand names, one of those names being Farmer Higgs.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:16 am Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

Like the Universe is made up of two fundamental things, which are; the visible, and, the invisible, so too are human beings. They are made up of the visible physical body (the 'human' part of the 'human being), and, the invisible being (the 'being' part of the 'human being').

The visible parts of the Universe, and of human beings, are obviously just the physical parts that are able to be human seen with, by, or from the eyes. The invisible parts of the Universe, and of human beings, are obviously not able to be seen with, by, nor from the eyes. But, those parts can be 'seen', 'understood', or 'known' to exist. This 'understanding' and 'knowing' is grasped, and then held within or as 'thought'. Which is just the invisible part of the 'human being', with the 'being' part just referring to the 'person' or the 'you'.

Being able to see the visible things is done with and through the physical, or visible, eyes, but being able to 'see', when 'understanding' Is meant, is done with and through the, invisible, Eye, or in other words the Mind and the Mind's Eye.

The human eyes are visible and can only see the physical. Whereas, the Mind's Eye is invisible and can see, (understand and know) every thing.

I say the above here because when the word 'God' is defined as, and thus meaning and referring to, Creator; all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present, then God, Itself, is visible and invisible.

With a 'Creator', of all things, being described and defined as being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, then the only two things with this ability are the visible Universe, and, the invisible Mind, themselves.

And, just like 'human beings' are made up of 'visible matter', and, 'invisibility', that is; the physical human body, and, the thoughts and emotions, so to is God, Itself, made up of the 'visible matter', and, 'invisibility', that is; the physical Universe, and, the Mind.

It is said that through an 'open mind' then this is when human beings are able to learn, and discover, new things. So, it is through 'the Mind', Itself, which is 'always open', then this is the reason of how and why human beings have, are, and will continue to Create new/er things all of the time, and for every 'time period' of human history if what is being continually 'Created' could be 'seen' from peoples of 'past periods', then if 'we' went far enough back all of 'human beings' creations' would all be 'unimaginable', and thus of God-like abilities. But, all of these creations just came from and through what is called an 'open mind', which is, really, just the, invisible, Mind, Itself, of which there is One of only, existing within all human beings. Therefore, when the word 'God', the Creator, is 'looked at', in the invisible sense, God is, literally, just the, One and only, Mind, Itself.

When 'God', the Creator, is 'looked at', in the visible sense, God is, literally, just the One and only, Universe, Itself. The Universe is continually changing in shape and form, and thus is evolving, and, Creating, Itself, always, and in all ways. The Universe is (tin) One constant-changing evolutionary-creation.

With the above definition of 'Universe, there is absolutely nothing above, outside, beyond, or apart from the Universe, Itself. So, it is the Universe, Itself, which is, continually, Creating Its Self HERE-NOW.

God is;

The, infinite and eternal, visible Universe, which is, will, and has come-to-know thy, or Its, Self, with and through, literally, the, invisible, Mind It-Self.

The irrefutable 'proof' of and for 'All-of-this', as you are already aware "attofishpi", is 'embedded' within the "english language", itself.

However, it just takes 'some time' to speak, write, and use 'those words', in 'a way', that could be and would be 'listened to', comprehended, understood, and thus be known by every one, as One.

By the way, 'uncovering', 'learning', 'comprehending', 'understanding', and 'knowing the actual and full, irrefutable, Truth here is, and was, the extremely easy and simple part. Working out how to get 'you', adult human beings to 'just listen' was, and still is when this is being written, the hardest part in, and of, 'all of this'.

God is, literally, with-in, ALL things. Being with and in ALL things means that 'this One' is able to 'see' and 'know' ALL things, as well.

'one' just needs to become, and remain, Truly OPEN, exactly like 'this One, God' is to learn, comprehend, understand, and know ALL of what there is here (to learn, comprehend, understand, and know HERE-NOW).

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:09 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:39 am While the 'Universe' word is being defined as, and thus meaning and referring to, everything; all there is; totality, then the Universe, Itself, is infinite and eternal.

This is proved by the Fact that there is no border, boundary, nor end, spatially. And, to the Fact that what was existing before any claimed beginning was, again, just the Universe, Itself.

Now, for any claim that 'there was no before' a so-called 'big bang' is just absolute nonsense as this would mean that the 'big bang' occurred from absolutely nothing, at all. The illogical irrational absurdity of this claim speaks for itself. And, any claim that God created the Universe, literally, means that God, Itself, is the Universe, or a part of the Universe, Itself.

See, the fact that 'a bang' could have occurred, from one solitary infinite compression of matter, or singularity, just means that all matter from one particular area, or from the whole infinite area, was just compressed together with no space, nor distance, between 'it'. And, for that singularity to have been able to expand, then obviously there would have had to have been 'space', for 'matter' to expand out.

Now, both all 'matter', and, all 'space' is a part of everything, all there is, and totality, itself. Therefore, if there was 'matter', and, 'space' existing before what is called 'the big bang', then that was just how the Universe, Itself, just was.

And, for those who, still, want to claim that there was no 'time' before 'that bang', then obviously this is just because of what the 'time' means, and refers to, exactly, and what is able, or not able, to be done when there is only 'space', and, 'matter' existing when all the known matter is compressed together with all 'space' removed from 'matter'. That is, it is completely impossible to measure the duration between any perceived events. This is because at least two pieces of particles of matter have to be in Existence, or to be able to be witnessed, to be able to 'measure duration' or what some call 'tell (the) time'.

The Universe, Itself, is always existing, just within a continual change in way, shape, and/or form, and this continual change is happening and occurring in the HERE, and, NOW, always. And, in all ways some might also say and argue.

The Universe, Itself, is not bordered nor bounded by absolutely any thing, other than of course when you human beings limit your observations.

Well explained-thank you. Agreed!

'i' am, relatively slowly, 'getting there'.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:55 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:16 am Dare I say, I tend to agree with that.

1st Law of thermodynamics posits Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Since I believe God to be pantheistic in nature, that God is ALL (energy) - I believe the universe to be cyclic - cycling between maximum entropy and low entropy forever, eternally. One could consider that the universe has varying instances of its own existence, that is all.

If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then:

These cycles sound like a matter of energy distribution,
which means that energy is high in some places,
and energy low in other places,
which is just so inequitable.

Does there have to be 'equability' absolutely everywhere?

For example, could the Universe have opposites, but still 'sit' or 'be' in 'equilibrium', Itself, anyway?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:55 am Maximum low entropy would begin cycling towards an equitable distribution of energy throughout Age's universe,
causing every place to eventually not have much energy,
every place would be the same,
which in human terms,
is the ostensible Socialist goal of destroying concentrations of wealth,
which is the Socialist goal of socially engineering high entropy.

Talking about human beings' concept of 'monetary wealth', when discussing the Universe, Itself, would be like if there were conceptual beings living within a grain of sand on a beach on earth talking about 'their form of bartering' when discussing how the galaxies within the 'observable universe' to human beings interact with each other. 'monetary wealth' is absolutely irrelevant here.

Now, within the, infinite and eternal, Universe, Itself, 'energy' exists, always, because of how 'matter', itself, interacts with its self.

Is 'matter' interacting with it self in all places, or everywhere, equally?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:55 am - The concept of bodhisattva is enlightenment for all and not just for oneself.Low entropy for all!

Oneself is, obviously, made up of, named, things.

Thus, the One-Self Universe is made up of ALL things, and not just what you are imagining here as 'oneself'.

'Enlightenment for all', literally, means for ALL of the things that make up the 'Oneself'.

When you adult human beings stop 'looking at' and 'seeing' "your", individual, 'selves' as a 'one-separated-self', then you will stop have these misconstrued views, thoughts, and beliefs here like this one is.

When 'Oneself' is talked about or mentioned here it is, literally, in relation to ALL and not just some of you, individual, human beings.

Only the Truly greedy and/or selfish human being would consider absolutely any talk or discussion of, or about, any thing to do with 'theological' or 'universal' matters were in regards to 'ones-individual-self'.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:55 am
- The concept of Socialism is Equity, and the physical world we know bound by time indicates all energy evenly distributed throughout Age's imagined universe can only be a condition of high entropy, each lonely atom separated by infinite space, all equally energy deprived.

This is here a prime example of how much the actual and irrefutable Truth can, and does, get distorted by one's own, imagined, views, assumptions, or beliefs.

Now, when you are able to stop "yourself" from calling the Universe, as defined above, from being so-called "age's imagined universe', then 'we' will be able to 'look at' and 'discuss' absolutely any and every 'issue' that you have here.

Until then your own presumptions and beliefs, as they stand, of 'what occurs' are too 'twisted' and 'mangled', to 'untangle' for 'now', in 'the way' that you are imagining, seeing, and presenting them and things here.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:39 am While the 'Universe' word is being defined as, and thus meaning and referring to, everything; all there is; totality, then the Universe, Itself, is infinite and eternal.

This is proved by the Fact that there is no border, boundary, nor end, spatially. And, to the Fact that what was existing before any claimed beginning was, again, just the Universe, Itself.

Now, for any claim that 'there was no before' a so-called 'big bang' is just absolute nonsense as this would mean that the 'big bang' occurred from absolutely nothing, at all. The illogical irrational absurdity of this claim speaks for itself. And, any claim that God created the Universe, literally, means that God, Itself, is the Universe, or a part of the Universe, Itself.

See, the fact that 'a bang' could have occurred, from one solitary infinite compression of matter, or singularity, just means that all matter from one particular area, or from the whole infinite area, was just compressed together with no space, nor distance, between 'it'. And, for that singularity to have been able to expand, then obviously there would have had to have been 'space', for 'matter' to expand out.

Now, both all 'matter', and, all 'space' is a part of everything, all there is, and totality, itself. Therefore, if there was 'matter', and, 'space' existing before what is called 'the big bang', then that was just how the Universe, Itself, just was.

And, for those who, still, want to claim that there was no 'time' before 'that bang', then obviously this is just because of what the 'time' means, and refers to, exactly, and what is able, or not able, to be done when there is only 'space', and, 'matter' existing when all the known matter is compressed together with all 'space' removed from 'matter'. That is, it is completely impossible to measure the duration between any perceived events. This is because at least two pieces of particles of matter have to be in Existence, or to be able to be witnessed, to be able to 'measure duration' or what some call 'tell (the) time'.

The Universe, Itself, is always existing, just within a continual change in way, shape, and/or form, and this continual change is happening and occurring in the HERE, and, NOW, always. And, in all ways some might also say and argue.

The Universe, Itself, is not bordered nor bounded by absolutely any thing, other than of course when you human beings limit your observations.

I agree that the word "universe" ought to apply to all that is, has ever been, and will ever be. And if that is the case, then one would think that it might be infinitely boundless and timeless. Yet, in the realm of human activity and consciousness, the idea of a timeless and boundless universe is almost as difficult to wrap our heads around as is the idea of a bounded and temporary universe.

In short, I don't think any of us knows much about the universe beyond what we can possibly experience. Beyond that there is only speculation without certainty. Unless of course, I'm the only human in the world and everyone else is a higher entity and therefore knows with certainty things that I don't know with certainty. However, I suppose that could conceivably be the case as well.