Philosophy Now Forum

Should ISLAM be proscribed as a TERRORIST IDEOLOGY?

Since it has these as its tenets:-->


1. Killing of non-believers


“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).


2. Killing apostates
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Quran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."


3. Rape of captured women enemies
Qur’an 4:24 permits intercourse with women captured in jihad (holy war). The verse states: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.” This implies that female captives can be taken as concubines or wives by Muslim men after they have been captured in battle

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:40 am Should ISLAM be proscribed as a TERRORIST IDEOLOGY?

Since it has these as its tenets:-->


1. Killing of non-believers


“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).


2. Killing apostates
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Quran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."


3. Rape of captured women enemies
Qur’an 4:24 permits intercourse with women captured in jihad (holy war). The verse states: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.” This implies that female captives can be taken as concubines or wives by Muslim men after they have been captured in battle

Doesn't your God do Evil as well as Good?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:40 am Should ISLAM be proscribed as a TERRORIST IDEOLOGY?

Since it has these as its tenets:-->


1. Killing of non-believers


“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).


2. Killing apostates
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Quran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."


3. Rape of captured women enemies
Qur’an 4:24 permits intercourse with women captured in jihad (holy war). The verse states: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.” This implies that female captives can be taken as concubines or wives by Muslim men after they have been captured in battle

K: are we back to this idiocy?

You have taken three Moral precepts... and have declared them to be ''terrorism''
because THEY aren't your moral precepts.... and based on that,
Muslims have every right to declare your moral precepts as being,
''TERRORISM''.... I hold that anyone who doesn't bow down to MY god,
as being a ''TERRORIST""... it's really nothing more than that....

and in being an Amateur historian, I can see the nature of the word,
''Terrorist'' its value is nothing more than to be a bogeyman......
from 1880 to roughly 1914, the word that struck terror in the hearts
of ''civilized'' people everywhere was Anarchists.... the way we use Terrorists,
was exactly the way they used ''Anarchists''... with the exact same connotations...

and we can't forget the ever-popular bogeyman, the Jew...
and in France, it was also the German, and in Germany, it was the
Russians and in Japan, it was anyone who wasn't Japanese...

and what is driving all of this? fear.... nothing more than fear....
you are afraid, and you use this phony exercise to demonstrate
your fear.....and the conservative fears much in our modern age....
a small list of conservative fears includes, CRT, the constitution,
blacks, women, democracy, Obama, education, People of color,
freedom of speech, universities/collages, books.... and this
is a small list..... the actual list of conservatives fears takes several
pages.... and within each fear, lies some sort of visceral reaction just like
your reaction to Islam.....

the problem here is not ISLAM, but your fears.... you are afraid....
that is the place to work on, not on some idiotic witch-hunt against
people who practice Islam...a religion..... but on your own fears....
learn to overcome the fears that drive you to hate others because
they don't hold to your values.... if they don't believe in what I believe,
clearly, they must be ''Terrorists''...... or Anarchists, or Jews or Liberals,
or Democrats or whatever hate is going around these days.....

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:35 pm
K: are we back to this idiocy?

You have taken three Moral precepts... and have declared them to be ''terrorism''
because THEY aren't your moral precepts.... and based on that,
Muslims have every right to declare your moral precepts as being,
''TERRORISM''.... I hold that anyone who doesn't bow down to MY god,
as being a ''TERRORIST""... it's really nothing more than that....

and in being an Amateur historian, I can see the nature of the word,
''Terrorist'' its value is nothing more than to be a bogeyman......
from 1880 to roughly 1914, the word that struck terror in the hearts
of ''civilized'' people everywhere was Anarchists.... the way we use Terrorists,
was exactly the way they used ''Anarchists''... with the exact same connotations...

and we can't forget the ever-popular bogeyman, the Jew...
and in France, it was also the German, and in Germany, it was the
Russians and in Japan, it was anyone who wasn't Japanese...

and what is driving all of this? fear.... nothing more than fear....
you are afraid, and you use this phony exercise to demonstrate
your fear.....and the conservative fears much in our modern age....
a small list of conservative fears includes, CRT, the constitution,
blacks, women, democracy, Obama, education, People of color,
freedom of speech, universities/collages, books.... and this
is a small list..... the actual list of conservatives fears takes several
pages.... and within each fear, lies some sort of visceral reaction just like
your reaction to Islam.....

the problem here is not ISLAM, but your fears.... you are afraid....
that is the place to work on, not on some idiotic witch-hunt against
people who practice Islam...a religion..... but on your own fears....
learn to overcome the fears that drive you to hate others because
they don't hold to your values.... if they don't believe in what I believe,
clearly, they must be ''Terrorists''...... or Anarchists, or Jews or Liberals,
or Democrats or whatever hate is going around these days.....

Kropotkin

Bravo, Kropotkin.