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If we are to truly consider ourselves moral and civilized, then we must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry. It has no place in a modern civilization that prides itself on enlightenment and ethical principles. We are not cavemen anymore; we don't need to hunt anymore. We live in a modern civilization with plenty of resources. Being vegan it totally practical. And there are also plenty of vegan sources of protein. You won't be malnourished. The animal slaughterhouse industry is ugly and cruel. We must acquire a new morality that truly includes the well being of animals.

Killing animals and eating their meat is barbaric and cruel.

Part of the human telos is to evolve and transcend. We must respect animals in order to promote an ever advancing civilization.

Choose the benevolent and compassionate path and be vegan. It is worth it.

A lot of statements but not much reasoning.

The closest you come to making an argument is " it's cruel", which considered a bad thing in modern society.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm If we are to truly consider ourselves moral and civilized, then we must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry. It has no place in a modern civilization that prides itself on enlightenment and ethical principles. We are not cavemen anymore; we don't need to hunt anymore. We live in a modern civilization with plenty of resources. Being vegan it totally practical. And there are also plenty of vegan sources of protein. You won't be malnourished. The animal slaughterhouse industry is ugly and cruel. We must acquire a new morality that truly includes the well being of animals.

Killing animals and eating their meat is barbaric and cruel.

Part of the human telos is to evolve and transcend.

I agree, but I probably won't give up eating meat.

Part of the human telos is to evolve and transcend.

I don't think that is part of my telos; I'm not even sure I've got a telos.

Choose the benevolent and compassionate path and be vegan.

I can't see myself doing that.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pmwe must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry

We can do that. I'll just hunt more.

As rational beings, we have the ability to shape our world. If you are okay with animal cruelty and don't want to do your part to eliminate it, then you are partakers of darkness and savagery.

Most people know it's wrong, they just don't care -- they don't want to give up on the taste of savory meat.

I know meat tastes good, but animal lives matter more than my personal taste.

Sometimes, in order to create a better world, we have to make sacrifices.

If there is a God or gods, then I imagine they will judge us on how we responded to this situation.

But regardless of reward or punishment, we should do the right thing, the compassionate thing.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:31 pm

animal lives matter more than my personal taste.

Why?

Are they that important, or, do you matter so little?

just because you cannot hear the screams of pain every vegetable makes when you devour it...

-Imp

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pmwe must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry

We can do that. I'll just hunt more.

Says Henry Hypo who claims to cry over aborted zygotes because apparently 'life is sacred'. What a pathetic little goblin you are.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:16 pm just because you cannot hear the screams of pain every vegetable makes when you devour it...

-Imp

You can hear the screams of crawfish when they go into the boiling pot...sweet music...makes my mouth water.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:58 am

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:16 pm just because you cannot hear the screams of pain every vegetable makes when you devour it...

-Imp

You can hear the screams of crawfish when they go into the boiling pot...sweet music...makes my mouth water.

That will come back to bite you in the arse. Karma is a bitch and the way of the universe. Imagine yourself in your deathbed, morphine drip in your arm, with giant 'crawfish' looming over your bed, ready to take their revenge...

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:16 pm just because you cannot hear the screams of pain every vegetable makes when you devour it...

-Imp

And even more relevant, the screams of all the animals killed in carrying out agriculture.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm If we are to truly consider ourselves moral and civilized, then we must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry. It has no place in a modern civilization that prides itself on enlightenment and ethical principles. We are not cavemen anymore; we don't need to hunt anymore. We live in a modern civilization with plenty of resources. Being vegan it totally practical. And there are also plenty of vegan sources of protein. You won't be malnourished. The animal slaughterhouse industry is ugly and cruel. We must acquire a new morality that truly includes the well being of animals.

Killing animals and eating their meat is barbaric and cruel.

Part of the human telos is to evolve and transcend. We must respect animals in order to promote an ever advancing civilization.

Choose the benevolent and compassionate path and be vegan. It is worth it.

To be effective, morality and ethics should not be extended to non-humans.
The most is, humans must deal with non-humans in the most humane ways.

If morality and ethics are extended to animals, then where is the limit and why so selective?
"insects are part of the group of animals known as arthropods."
There are also many other animals in the animal kingdom that are a threat to humans and there is a need for them to be killed where necessary.

Instead of morality, the handling of animals should be dealt with Virtue, i.e. with consideration of kindness, humaneness, exercise with rationality and wisdom.
Humanity survival is interdependent with many other animal species, as such humanity need to exercise rationality and wisdom in not killing them arbitrarily.
That dogs and cats are popular pets, humans need to exercise virtue, rationality and wisdom in not killing dogs and cats.

If one is into veganism which is more psychological and emotional than rationality and wisdom, one should just adopt it personally and do not impose their beliefs on others.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm If we are to truly consider ourselves moral and civilized, then we must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry.

Among other things.

But, you adult human beings here do not truly consider "yourselves" to be 'moral' and 'civilized', do you?

If you do, then I have a lot more work to do here than I first realized.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm It has no place in a modern civilization

What, exactly, do you refer to as 'modern civilization'?

After all you just talked about getting rid of the 'animal slaughter industry', which clearly exists, in the days when this is being written. So, obviously, in the days when this is being written, this is not a 'modern civilization', right?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm that prides itself on enlightenment and ethical principles.

Most of you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, cannot even discuss the word 'ethics', nor have a discussion about 'ethical principles', without getting into a slanderous match between "yourselves", let alone actually getting to any 'enlightenment' at all.

So, again, you are obviously not talking about any civilization/society 'in the days when this is being written', right?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm We are not cavemen anymore;

But "cavemen" did not harvest, farm, 'cage', nor abuse animals for selfish and greedy monetary gains. Unlike you adult human beings do, in the days when this is being written.

So, the non human animal population would probably 'wish', if they could, that you human beings would go back to be "cavemen" like. This would be more 'civil', and ironically more humane, from the non human animal perspective.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm we don't need to hunt anymore.

But, what are 'we' going to hang on our walls in our homes if 'we' stopped 'hunting' animals anymore?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm We live in a modern civilization with plenty of resources.

Again, from the very quickest of observations, when you say, 'modern civilization' you are not referring to 'the way' that you human beings use to live, back in those 'olden days', when this was being written, correct?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm Being vegan it totally practical.

But, how are adult human beings going to, what is called, 'make money', if and when they are not farming, caging, nor harvesting animals?

Do not forget that the number one thing for all adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, is to obtain 'more money'. And, using and abusing animals is a great source of income, and monetary wealth. So, why would any of you adult human beings want to stop this?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm And there are also plenty of vegan sources of protein. You won't be malnourished. The animal slaughterhouse industry is ugly and cruel.

Why only the 'animal slaughterhouse industry' is ugly and cruel?

What about the caging and showing off of animals, is that not ugly and cruel to you as well?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm We must acquire a new morality that truly includes the well being of animals.

But, are you living in a 'modern civilization' or not?

Because if you are living in a 'modern civilization', then why would anyone want to change 'that'?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm Killing animals and eating their meat is barbaric and cruel.

But not when you adult human beings 'justify' the doing of this is 'necessary' and done, again ironically, 'humanely'.

Also, what about for those who 'need' to eat meat to live and survive?

Is it also barbaric and cruel for them, as well?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm Part of the human telos is to evolve and transcend.

Well human beings, along with absolutely everything else, have absolutely no choice at all but 'to evolve'

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm We must respect animals in order to promote an ever advancing civilization.

Just like it is said that one cannot love another, properly and Correctly, until 'that one' loves "itself", so to one cannot respect animals, until they respect "them" 'self', 'an animal'.

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm Choose the benevolent and compassionate path and be vegan.

What about if 'you' had to choose between what you call 'the benevolent and compassionate path' or 'being dead', then would 'you' 'die' "vegan", or stay alive, 'eating meat'?

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pm It is worth it.

In regards, or in relation, to 'what', exactly?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pmwe must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry

We can do that. I'll just hunt more.

So, this one will just 'take' another's life, although it claims that everyone has a 'natural right' to life.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:37 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:58 pm

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:22 pmwe must get rid of the animal slaughterhouse industry

We can do that. I'll just hunt more.

So, this one will just 'take' another's life, although it claims that everyone has a 'natural right' to life.

And this one allows animals to be killed for his nutrition via agriculture and cannot admit that he is as responsible for animal deaths as henry quirk, but is less honest about it.

Every time AGe buys food products he is paying those who kiilled animals to make his food. Which leads to more animals being killed.