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So, the answer of 'how, exactly, to understand everything?' was not in that link.

Anyway, to me:

How to, exactly, understand everything was, and is, done through, and by, just being Truly open always, while just wanting to learn and understand every thing always, as well..

See, just understanding that every thing is just a part of everything, and that the sum of every thing equals everything, or that when you, literally, put the words 'every', and, 'thing' together, as One, then you, literally, 'get' the One Everything, which is just another word for the Universe, Itself, then you can also see, or understand, that 'Everything/the Universe', Itself, is, literally, just made up of two things only. Which are, the visible matter, and, the invisible distance between matter, from which absolutely every thing else is also made up of and created from, through and evolution, itself.

Now, that matter and a distance, or space, is what the Universe, Itself, is fundamentally made up of, and that the interaction of matter with itself, which is allowed to move about absolutely freely, because of invisible space, is how the One and only Universe, or in other words, how every thing is created, and how the One Everything, Itself, is Creating the Universe, 'Itself', always, HERE-NOW, is, partly, 'How to, literally, understand Everything'.

Reality can be questioned, and Descartes’ proved you cannot be certain of anything. Our minds and brains casually interact, and we think. It is impossible for one thing to be extended and to think; Language use and varied response to stimuli; Using the Method of Doubt. 'I think, therefore I exist'.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:22 am
How to, exactly, understand everything was, and is, done through, and by, just being Truly open always, while just wanting to learn and understand every thing always, as well..

You can't possibly know that to be the case. Only someone who understands everything would know.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:17 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:22 am
How to, exactly, understand everything was, and is, done through, and by, just being Truly open always, while just wanting to learn and understand every thing always, as well..

You can't possibly know that to be the case. Only someone who understands everything would know.

And, why could not 'I' possibly know that to be the case?

Why do 'you' presume or believe that 'I' do not, already, understand everything?

By the way, once 'you', if 'you' do, come to 'know' who and what the 'I' is, exactly, then 'you' will also understand how what 'you' say and claim could not possibly be the case, is actually 'the case'.

Metaphysics is the idea that no thing is thinking, and that thoughts do not exist as anything. In other words: Nothing is everything, and there is nothing to understand about this.

That there was a world or universe happening which you were born into is a belief which disregards direct experience entirely.

In your direct experience there is no experience whatsoever of being born.
Death is a presumption, upon the un-inspected assumption you were born.

Nothing’s happening. As in, there is not something, some thing, as in separation.
Nothing, that which is not a thing, not something else, not some other thing - is you, awareness.
Nothing’s happening, as in, awareness is appearing.

Reality is unconditional love.

Reality is Oneself.

There is not-a-thing ‘beyond direct experience’.

You, awareness, are - not a thing.

Appearing as, ‘direct experience’.

Unborn, undying, un-manifest; being.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:14 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:17 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:22 am
How to, exactly, understand everything was, and is, done through, and by, just being Truly open always, while just wanting to learn and understand every thing always, as well..

You can't possibly know that to be the case. Only someone who understands everything would know.

And, why could not 'I' possibly know that to be the case?

Because to speak with any authority on how it is possible to understand everything, you would have to understand everything yourself, or at least be informed by someone else who understood everything, otherwise what you said would just be theoretical. You obviously don't understand everything, and as I do not think it remotely possible for any human being to understand everything, I am bound to think that you do not know anyone else who understands everything.

Why do 'you' presume or believe that 'I' do not, already, understand everything?

Much of your writing on the forum leads me to think that there is much that you don't understand. You certainly don't understand people; in fact, you seem not to have a clue.

By the way, once 'you', if 'you' do, come to 'know' who and what the 'I' is, exactly, then 'you' will also understand how what 'you' say and claim could not possibly be the case, is actually 'the case'.

I'm sure that makes sense in your world, but it doesn't mean anything to me.

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Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:14 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:17 am

You can't possibly know that to be the case. Only someone who understands everything would know.

And, why could not 'I' possibly know that to be the case?

Because to speak with any authority on how it is possible to understand everything, you would have to understand everything yourself, or at least be informed by someone else who understood everything, otherwise what you said would just be theoretical.

Yes obviously.

But, why do you presume and/or believe that 'I' could not possibly understand everything?

See, once 'you' understand who and what the 'I' is, exactly, then 'you' will learn, and understand, why 'your presumptions and views' here gave 'you' 'the belief', which you 'currently' have here, which, as far as 'you' 'know', 'you' do 'not know' if it is true or not.

'you' are just presuming that (the) 'I' could not possibly, already, understand everything. And, in fact, 'you' 'currently' believe this to be true, right?

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm You obviously don't understand everything, and as I do not think it remotely possible for any human being to understand everything, I am bound to think that you do not know anyone else who understands everything.

Well here 'it' is. What 'we' have here is another prime example of when a human being 'believes' some thing to be true, then they are prevented and stopped from finding out what the actual, and irrefutable, Truth is, exactly, and fully.

Once again, once one 'believes' some thing is true, then they are not open, and it is only when one is open when it is possible for them to continue to keep learning things, and thus keep becoming wiser.

Now, obviously it is impossible for one human being to understand everything. But, what is also just as obvious is that 'you' do not yet 'know' the answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?' Correct?

Again, once 'you' discover, or learn, and understand the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct answer to 'that question', then, and only then, 'you' will come-to-understand, fully, how and why 'I' understand, and know, everything.

So, once again, I will suggest that before you start to begin to assume that 'you' already know things, 'you' seek out and obtain actual clarity, and clarification, first. I also suggest obtaining actual proof before making absolutely any statement or claim, first.

What can be clearly seen here, once more, is these posters here keep confusing the 'I' with the 'you'.

Which is obviously absolutely totally understandable considering what they have been 'taught', and thus have 'learned'.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm

Why do 'you' presume or believe that 'I' do not, already, understand everything?

Much of your writing on the forum leads me to think that there is much that you don't understand.

And, as I keep informing 'you' posters here a lot of what I actually say, write, and mean here gets completely and utterly missed, misinterpreted, mistaken, misjudged, mistaken, misread, and/or just misunderstood, by 'you' people here.

See, once 'you' discover, or learn, and understand who and what the words;

'you' refer to, exactly.
'human beings' refer to, exactly.
'people' refer to, exactly.

And,

who and what the 'I' word has been and is referring to, exactly, then 'you' will be in a much, much better position to 'know', and 'understand', what much of 'my' writing, on this forum, was actually meaning, and referring to, and thus what it was, and is, actually leading to as well.

See, what has led 'you' to what 'you' previously and are 'currently' thinking, has been 'your' own assumptions, which are based upon nothing more than 'your' own personal past experiences. And, unless you have had the 'perfect teaching/upbringing/past experiences', then what 'you' 'currently' think 'now' could, all or partly, be False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm You certainly don't understand people; in fact, you seem not to have a clue.

LOL If 'you' only 'knew' "harbal". If 'you' only knew.

And, if 'you' would like to to either challenge 'me' on just how much little or how much 'I' actually understand, or not, then by all means go ahead and try to.

Also, notice that when 'you' claimed that 'I' certainly do not understand people, and, in fact, to 'you', 'I' seem to not have a clue 'about' 'people', that this would imply that 'you' do, or at least 'you' believe that 'you' do. So, allow 'me' to challenge 'you', to find out and 'see' just how much, or how little, 'you' really do 'understand'.

If 'you' accept this challenge, then let 'me' begin by asking 'you' to define the 'people' word here.

if 'you' do not even begin with this, then 'we' can further 'see' what the actual Truth is here.

Now, if 'you' do define the 'people' word here, then 'I' will challenge 'you' to define the 'human being' words, the 'you' word, the 'me' word, and the 'I' word, and present them all in a way that fits 'perfectly together', and which then will align with, and fit 'perfectly together', all the other words, which in turn will present a Truly Accurate and, perfectly, crystal clear picture of all-there-is, or in other words, Everything.

See, 'I' claim, and 'know', that 'I' have already done this, and can do this for 'you' human beings as well.

So, for 'you' to say and claim that 'I', certainly, do not understand people, and, in fact, seem to not have a clue about 'people', at all, means or implies that 'you' already understand 'people', absolutely, or far better than I do.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm

By the way, once 'you', if 'you' do, come to 'know' who and what the 'I' is, exactly, then 'you' will also understand how what 'you' say and claim could not possibly be the case, is actually 'the case'.

I'm sure that makes sense in your world, but it doesn't mean anything to me.

And, here 'you' are saying and claiming that it is 'I' who does not understand things, and 'you', people, here.

Also, from your writings here, in this forum, there appears to be a great deal that 'does not mean anything', to 'you'.

However, what I will suggest to 'you', posters, here, before you claim things, in a public forum like this one, that you first obtain actual proof for you claim. That way you will be ready for when you are questioned and/or challenged over 'your, publicly made, claims'.

'I' have informed 'you' of 'how' to understand everything, not just in this thread but in this forum numerous times already. Now, 'you' can either do 'that', and find out for "yourselves" if 'it' works or not.

Obviously, if 'it' does not work, then 'you' will have the actual proof, which is necessary to prove 'me' Wrong here. Which is, obviously, 'a goal' of a lot of 'you', people, here.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 am
See, once 'you' understand who and what the 'I' is, exactly,

I is the ''I Am'' unchanging empty presence in which the everything/fullness appears. I is awareness aware of being aware.

I is the direct experience of being. When being is known,everything is known, because everything is the extension of what is ultimately this empty I AM presence appearing as everything.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 amSee, what has led 'you' to what 'you' previously and are 'currently' thinking, has been 'your' own assumptions,

What is here when 'thinking' stops?

The answer is an invitation to fall into the wordless I Am empty presence, the simplicity of what is, just as it is, right here and now.


You cannot escape your conception. The concept of you. The thought of you.

If you say ''I have a self'' this is a concept/thought known.

If you say ''I have no self'' this is also a concept/thought known.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm Much of your writing on the forum leads me to think that there is much that you don't understand. You certainly don't understand people; in fact, you seem not to have a clue.

It only seems to you that way, Harbal, because, we other posters don't know everything. If we did, Age, would know how to communicate with us.
It's tricky communicating with people who don't know everything, cut the guy some slack. Imagine how frustrating it must be for him.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:56 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:45 pm Much of your writing on the forum leads me to think that there is much that you don't understand. You certainly don't understand people; in fact, you seem not to have a clue.

It only seems to you that way, Harbal, because, we other posters don't know everything. If we did, Age, would know how to communicate with us.
It's tricky communicating with people who don't know everything, cut the guy some slack. Imagine how frustrating it must be for him.

It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

It's so draining that the humility sometimes has these little gaps. One can only feel Veritas-type empathy for Age in those moments. An oughtness-not-to laugh.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:09 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

It's so draining that the humility sometimes has these little gaps. One can only feel Veritas-type empathy for Age in those moments. An oughtness-not-to laugh.

I never feel more empathy than that for Age.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am
It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Only an ignorant fool preoccupied with his own false sense of separate identity would believe something ridiculous like that.

Try talking about ideas, and maybe try not to shame and blame. Maybe also refrain from the urge to claim the fame, would help. Maybe just try actually listening once in a while.

Try talking about what this mentally constructed sense of being a separate 'conscious self' actually means.

It's obvious, that the sense of being a separate 'conscious self' is a false belief that has no place in reality, because the sense of being a separate conscious self, is never the same twice. A conscious self cannot be a permanent, fixed, static, separate entity, living apart from everything else. The sense of being a conscious self is not permanent, it changes every second. The you that you think/sense you are, is never the same conscious self as the you that you were yesterday, or will be the same in the very next moment, or the future. There is simply no sense of individual self here apart from the everything appearing only now.

There's simply this ever present simplicity of this unborn, undying, infinite flow of life, that is always now.