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Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:37 pm
by Fairy
Can a “Nondualist” function in a world they know to be nondual and undivided?
The answer is yes.
Someone who is living as an awakened being, aka a nondualist, one who is living from the undivided Self, can function perfectly well in society, in fact they are functioning at an optimal level. However they do function differently to say one who is allured and pulled into the illusion of separation.
Thoughts may appear to the nondualist, but they are not grasped on to for too long, nor are their feelings able to stick around for too long either. They are simply seen as unreality. Un reality is now seen as that which come and goes, while that which is observing is seen to be a permanent feature. Although this does not happen to “someone”aka a nondualist, because at this point the illusion of a separate self identity is no longer the case for the nondualist. Once you know the experience of the nondualist, it is always there. There is no going back to the dualist state. Even though there is often a strong pull to it, but the yank back is resisted effortlessly now, and the nondualist is never fooled again by the illusion of separation. Therefore they live at an optimal level, some are happier than they’ve ever been before.
There is little noticeable difference to others who live from the divided self. The nondualist keeps on living their life, perhaps a lot happier in doing so. A common phrase used by nonduality teachers is that you are not the “doer”, the one that “functions in society” - but the doing and the sensation of doing continues. If anything you function better.
It’s not that you come to a complete standstill as in deep dreamless sleep, meditation, or even death. No, you carry on as normal, just as you’ve always done. Only this time you are able to see the illusion of separation for what it is. And you begin to live life in natural state knowing you are not living life, but life is living you in every moment. You realise your natural state, which is totally free of ‘this state’ or ‘that state,’ not ‘only One’ or ‘many’ but is the natural Isness that includes, and is beyond, all perception.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:22 am
by ovelspeedy
Even though there is often a strong pull to it, but the yank back is resisted effortlessly now, and the nondualist is never fooled again by the illusion of separation.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:21 am
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:37 pm
Can a “Nondualist” function in a world they know to be nondual and undivided?
The answer is yes.
Someone who is living as an awakened being, aka a nondualist, one who is living from the undivided Self, can function perfectly well in society, in fact they are functioning at an optimal level. However they do function differently to say one who is allured and pulled into the illusion of separation.
Thoughts may appear to the nondualist, but they are not grasped on to for too long, nor are their feelings able to stick around for too long either. They are simply seen as unreality. Un reality is now seen as that which come and goes, while that which is observing is seen to be a permanent feature. Although this does not happen to “someone”aka a nondualist, because at this point the illusion of a separate self identity is no longer the case for the nondualist. Once you know the experience of the nondualist, it is always there. There is no going back to the dualist state. Even though there is often a strong pull to it, but the yank back is resisted effortlessly now, and the nondualist is never fooled again by the illusion of separation. Therefore they live at an optimal level, some are happier than they’ve ever been before.
There is little noticeable difference to others who live from the divided self. The nondualist keeps on living their life, perhaps a lot happier in doing so. A common phrase used by nonduality teachers is that you are not the “doer”, the one that “functions in society” - but the doing and the sensation of doing continues. If anything you function better.
It’s not that you come to a complete standstill as in deep dreamless sleep, meditation, or even death. No, you carry on as normal, just as you’ve always done. Only this time you are able to see the illusion of separation for what it is. And you begin to live life in natural state knowing you are not living life, but life is living you in every moment. You realise your natural state, which is totally free of ‘this state’ or ‘that state,’ not ‘only One’ or ‘many’ but is the natural Isness that includes, and is beyond, all perception.
It allows a depth of experience, both positive and negative, to integrate both your own experience and the experience of other's.
It leaves a strong notion of responsibility, or at least the occurence of its appearance, as a balance of pure ruthlessness and pure compassion, given these extremes constantly unfold, where the observation of ripples appears not as surface waves but ocean currents.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:14 pm
by Fairy
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:21 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:37 pm
Can a “Nondualist” function in a world they know to be nondual and undivided?
The answer is yes.
Someone who is living as an awakened being, aka a nondualist, one who is living from the undivided Self, can function perfectly well in society, in fact they are functioning at an optimal level. However they do function differently to say one who is allured and pulled into the illusion of separation.
Thoughts may appear to the nondualist, but they are not grasped on to for too long, nor are their feelings able to stick around for too long either. They are simply seen as unreality. Un reality is now seen as that which come and goes, while that which is observing is seen to be a permanent feature. Although this does not happen to “someone”aka a nondualist, because at this point the illusion of a separate self identity is no longer the case for the nondualist. Once you know the experience of the nondualist, it is always there. There is no going back to the dualist state. Even though there is often a strong pull to it, but the yank back is resisted effortlessly now, and the nondualist is never fooled again by the illusion of separation. Therefore they live at an optimal level, some are happier than they’ve ever been before.
There is little noticeable difference to others who live from the divided self. The nondualist keeps on living their life, perhaps a lot happier in doing so. A common phrase used by nonduality teachers is that you are not the “doer”, the one that “functions in society” - but the doing and the sensation of doing continues. If anything you function better.
It’s not that you come to a complete standstill as in deep dreamless sleep, meditation, or even death. No, you carry on as normal, just as you’ve always done. Only this time you are able to see the illusion of separation for what it is. And you begin to live life in natural state knowing you are not living life, but life is living you in every moment. You realise your natural state, which is totally free of ‘this state’ or ‘that state,’ not ‘only One’ or ‘many’ but is the natural Isness that includes, and is beyond, all perception.
It allows a depth of experience, both positive and negative, to integrate both your own experience and the experience of other's.
It leaves a strong notion of responsibility, or at least the occurence of its appearance, as a balance of pure ruthlessness and pure compassion, given these extremes constantly unfold, where the observation of ripples appears not as surface waves but ocean currents.
I couldn't agree more Eod, very direct and eloquently said btw.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:23 pm
by Fairy
The absolute cannot know the absolute. The absolute can only BE the absolute, experiencing 'finite' experiences absolutely as a relational metaphysical 'self' in this conception.
I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone. But I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:55 pm
by Walker
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:37 pm
Can a “Nondualist” function in a world they know to be nondual and undivided?
Chop wood + haul water = Adjust thermostat + open faucet
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:43 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:55 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:37 pm
Can a “Nondualist” function in a world they know to be nondual and undivided?
Chop wood + haul water = Adjust thermostat + open faucet
Ehh...I see where you are going and it is clever..but...
I was an 'oldschool' amateur lumberjack for years and still do it from time to time. I was and am relatively fast with cutting up a tree with an axe, even built a small cabin using only an axe. Wasn't the prettiest cabin, but functional if I filled in the gaps with mud.
From personal experience of 'the old ways' there is a very different degree of consciousness to manual labor than the standard automated labor of today. The 'old ways' had a deeply embedded focus that allows a sense of sacrifice of distraction and with it illusion. You know you earned what you worked for and the results are just a therapeutic expression of yourself, a gift to the self of art so to speak... even if the art is just a cleanly cut piece of wood it allows a deeper awareness of who you are and what you could be, if only just for the time.
I believe alot of mental illness in the modern world is due to the absence of true manual labor and everything be "handed to us" by automation while modernity repressing our natural energy simultaneously. Alot of neurosis can be argued as repressed energy that old school manual labor can and did healthily direct.
There is alot of truth to "chop wood and carry water" to achieve a depth of clarity as to how to approach and integrate the experience of life.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:50 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:23 pm
The absolute cannot know the absolute. The absolute can only BE the absolute, experiencing 'finite' experiences absolutely as a relational metaphysical 'self' in this conception.
I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone. But I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Real simple metaphysics analogy.
We know things by change.
The absolute does not change or it would not be absolute.
The absolute is not a thing, it is a term synonymous to "nothing".
Anything that is absolute is subject to a fixed context that defines it, as context determines identity, but as context changes so does the appearance of the absolute and with the infinite range of applicable contexts the absolute is not only not fixed, within our experience of time, but in the totality of contexts is has limitless meaning, it is absent of limits and effectively obscure.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:35 pm
by Fairy
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:50 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:23 pm
The absolute cannot know the absolute. The absolute can only BE the absolute, experiencing 'finite' experiences absolutely as a relational metaphysical 'self' in this conception.
I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone. But I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Real simple metaphysics analogy.
We know things by change.
The absolute does not change or it would not be absolute.
The absolute is not a thing, it is a term synonymous to "nothing".
Anything that is absolute is subject to a fixed context that defines it, as context determines identity, but as context changes so does the appearance of the absolute and with the infinite range of applicable contexts the absolute is not only not fixed, within our experience of time, but in the totality of contexts is has limitless meaning, it is absent of limits and effectively obscure.
Great stuff Eod.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:58 pm
by Walker
Fatigue doesn’t change X, but it does elicit aspects of X.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:07 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:58 pm
Fatigue doesn’t change X, but it does elicit aspects of X.
Fatigue is merely completion, when a thing is complete, relatively speaking as completion is subective, it no longer has progressive change that defines it but rather dissolves into nothing. Completion is dissolution into nothingness, dissolution into perfect unity that embodies and allows all things to occur.
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:08 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:35 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:50 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:23 pm
The absolute cannot know the absolute. The absolute can only BE the absolute, experiencing 'finite' experiences absolutely as a relational metaphysical 'self' in this conception.
I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone. But I'm just throwing stuff out there.
Real simple metaphysics analogy.
We know things by change.
The absolute does not change or it would not be absolute.
The absolute is not a thing, it is a term synonymous to "nothing".
Anything that is absolute is subject to a fixed context that defines it, as context determines identity, but as context changes so does the appearance of the absolute and with the infinite range of applicable contexts the absolute is not only not fixed, within our experience of time, but in the totality of contexts is has limitless meaning, it is absent of limits and effectively obscure.
Great stuff Eod.
Thanks Fairy
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Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:52 pm
by Impenitent
even if you do not participate, the zealous duelist will take ten paces, turn around and shoot you...
-Imp
Re: Functioning in society as a Nondualist.
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:49 pm
by Fairy
Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:52 pm
even if you do not participate, the zealous duelist will take ten paces, turn around and shoot you...
-Imp
The dualist wouldn't know where to point the gun.
The nondualist has already left.
