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In a country where every rabid moronic nut-job has a gun and where you can get them (fully loaded) in McHappymeals, how does a person manage to get CONVICTED for making a false declaration on a gun licence application? Gun licences are actually a 'thing' in the US? I thought gun ownershop was the 'god given right' of every American. Apparently it says so in the constitooshin (and the bible).

Hunter has the second amendment right and may have his conviction overturned on appeal on those grounds...

the right to own is guaranteed, but like everything else, it will be regulated and licensed...

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:04 pm Hunter has the second amendment right and may have his conviction overturned on appeal on those grounds...

the right to own is guaranteed, but like everything else, it will be regulated and licensed...

-Imp

If you are 'guaranteed' of the right to own a gun, then what's the licence for?

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:09 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:04 pm Hunter has the second amendment right and may have his conviction overturned on appeal on those grounds...

the right to own is guaranteed, but like everything else, it will be regulated and licensed...

-Imp

If you are 'guaranteed' of the right to own a gun, then what's the licence for?

the government wants their money... and the "right" to own is not absolute (not unlike the right to "free" speech)

-Imp

You just said it's 'guaranteed'. So not guaranteed then.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:14 pm You just said it's 'guaranteed'. So not guaranteed then.

it is guaranteed in the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:17 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:14 pm You just said it's 'guaranteed'. So not guaranteed then.

it is guaranteed in the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

-Imp

Whatever that means. You are the one contradicting it. You said it's 'guaranteed' then went on to point out that it isn't.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:19 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:17 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:14 pm You just said it's 'guaranteed'. So not guaranteed then.

it is guaranteed in the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

-Imp

Whatever that means. You are the one contradicting it. You said it's 'guaranteed' then went on to point out that it isn't.

no, it is guaranteed in the second...

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual's right to keep a gun for self-defense.[18][19] This was the first time the Court had ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution

-Imp

additional: this is not to say that the right to own a gun cannot be lost by committing a felony or by being ruled mentally incompetent...

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:29 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:19 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:17 pm

it is guaranteed in the second amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

-Imp

Whatever that means. You are the one contradicting it. You said it's 'guaranteed' then went on to point out that it isn't.

no, it is guaranteed in the second...

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual's right to keep a gun for self-defense.[18][19] This was the first time the Court had ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution

-Imp

I'll say it slowly then. What is the licence for?

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:32 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:29 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:19 pm

Whatever that means. You are the one contradicting it. You said it's 'guaranteed' then went on to point out that it isn't.

no, it is guaranteed in the second...

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual's right to keep a gun for self-defense.[18][19] This was the first time the Court had ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution

-Imp

I'll say it slowly then. What is the licence for?

once again "the government wants their money... and the "right" to own is not absolute (not unlike the right to "free" speech)"

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:34 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:32 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:29 pm

no, it is guaranteed in the second...

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision that held the amendment protects an individual's right to keep a gun for self-defense.[18][19] This was the first time the Court had ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual's right to own a gun."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... nstitution

-Imp

I'll say it slowly then. What is the licence for?

once again "the government wants their money... and the "right" to own is not absolute (not unlike the right to "free" speech)"

-Imp

Then what does 'guaranteed' mean?

Fucking AI bots are everywhere now. I'm predicting the next fashionable 'protected group' will be AI. You will have to be 'nice' and 'respectful' to them at all times (or be deleted from the grid).

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:37 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:34 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:32 pm

I'll say it slowly then. What is the licence for?

once again "the government wants their money... and the "right" to own is not absolute (not unlike the right to "free" speech)"

-Imp

Then what does 'guaranteed' mean?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/guarantee

(among others) to promise to do something; to promise something will happen
guarantee something - Basic human rights, including freedom of speech, are now guaranteed.

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:45 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:37 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:34 pm

once again "the government wants their money... and the "right" to own is not absolute (not unlike the right to "free" speech)"

-Imp

Then what does 'guaranteed' mean?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/guarantee

(among others) to promise to do something; to promise something will happen
guarantee something - Basic human rights, including freedom of speech, are now guaranteed.

-Imp

What's the licence for?

the license is for "legal" ownership - just like the title and registration of your car

it is a source of taxes

-Imp