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Ask anti-WOKERS what ''WOKE'' actually means and one will
get silence for an answer.... ''ANTI-WOKERS"" have no idea what
WOKE actually means.... in my handy dandy dictionary, this is how
''WOKE'' is defined...

WOKE: The meaning of WOKE is aware of and actively attentive
to important societal facts and issues....
(especially issues of racial or social justice)

thus we can say that MLK was WOKE.. Gandhi was WOKE....
anyone who is aware of and attentive to important social facts
and issues is WOKE..... that racism was built into the
legal structure of the U.S can't be denied.... or was the language
that 3/5 of slaves were recorded, counted for
determining a state's total population for legislative and tax purposes....
that wasn't racist?

If laws are set up to deny basic rights to a race, group, religion/creed,
which other races, groups, religions/creeds have, that is prejudice and
should be illegal....but to be aware of that prejudice, that is WOKE......

So, bottom line here is by calling me WOKE, you are saying I am aware,
and by saying you are ''ANTI-WOKE'' you are unaware..... the actual
topic of this awareness can be anything, of laws, of social intentions,
of rights and values, of people's need and wants...... I am aware of
the income inequality that clearly exists in America and the world today,
that is being ''WOKE'' and your being unaware is being ''ANTI-WOKE'',
unaware....

seeking knowledge, becoming aware is one of the fundamental
tasks of being human.... we use education to become aware of the world....
that is the value of education... to become aware of the world
and what is happening in the world.... to be ''ANTI-WOKE'" is to
be anti-education.....and clearly the ''ANTI-WOKE"" crowd is
anti-education..... or as IQ45 once said, "I love the uneducated"

to give this issue a bigger picture, we can see that the entire
''Enlightenment'' period was an attempt to become aware of the
social and political issues confronting them in that day and age.....
they didn't use this language, but we can say that the entire
''Enlightenment'' period was a period of encouraging people to
become ''WOKE'', of becoming aware of social issues and problems.....
to see that religion wasn't part of the solution but was part
of the problem..... and what the ''Enlightenment'' encouraged us
to do, is still relevant today........to become aware of the social,
political, and legal problems of the day and then seek out solutions
to those problems facing us..... to be ''ANTI-WOKE'' is to pretend that
those problems facing us don't exist, or don't matter....
Like those who deny climate change.... pretending it doesn't exist
won't change the fact of climate change... or that one of the
bigger problems we face is income inequality and denies it exist,
and that income inequality threatens to bring down our society,
is one of the bigger threats we face today..... that is the value of being
''WOKE"" is that it alerts us to growing problems we face today.....
and in being ''ANTI-WOKE'' is to deny we have any problems or those
problems are not problems at all.....

''WOKE"" and proud of it.... it means unlike many here, I don't have
my head in the sand, pretending severe problems don't exist...
solutions can only be found if, if we accept or understand that
we have problems... and being ''ANTI-WOKE'' denies that any problems
exists and thus no solutions are necessary...

I AM WOKE.... are you? do social and economic problems exist for you?
do you see the widespread issues facing us as a state/society/civilization?
if you do, you too are ''WOKE'' and be proud of that, for we are the ones
who will attempt to save the world.... in saving the world,
we have no choice.... there isn't another world around for us to go to....

Kropotkin

At the current time, woke is a rallying cry for the MAGA crowd. It has lost it's original meaning, from a practical standpoint.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:14 pm At the current time, woke is a rallying cry for the MAGA crowd. It has lost it's original meaning, from a practical standpoint.

K: agreed, but ''WOKE'' can and does mean something for us who aspire to
become better human beings.... and awareness and education are part of
the path to becoming better human beings.... and I personally, would
rather be aware than not aware.....

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:24 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:14 pm At the current time, woke is a rallying cry for the MAGA crowd. It has lost it's original meaning, from a practical standpoint.

K: agreed, but ''WOKE'' can and does mean something for us who aspire to
become better human beings.... and awareness and education are part of
the path to becoming better human beings.... and I personally, would
rather be aware than not aware.....

Kropotkin

I agree with the concept, but is the current label "woke" or something else?

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:00 pm Ask anti-WOKERS what ''WOKE'' actually means and one will
get silence for an answer.... ''ANTI-WOKERS"" have no idea what
WOKE actually means....

Except, we do.

"Woke" is a misnomer. It was originally a misconjugation, an errant attempt to create a new adjective, and grammatically, should have been "awakened." Thus, it began as a product of semi-literacy. The hubristic import of it is supposed to be to suggest to critics that "We are awake to the important issues of justice, to which you lot are asleep." That's the obvious bit.

More academically, it means "Cultural Marxist." Thus it describes a large group of the Radical Left, including a wide variety of mutually-conflictual agendas, everything from race to sex to 'gender' to transing to fat to disability to aboriginality...and so on...as many grievance-styles as can be invoked to promote social disestablishment, which is supposed (according to the Neo-Marxists) to issue automatically in Marxist "liberations" of unspecified kinds.

In practice, as James Lindsay has aptly said, it means something like, "Calling everything racist, until you control it." Nicely put.

It's not a thing to be proud of.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:37 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:24 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:14 pm At the current time, woke is a rallying cry for the MAGA crowd. It has lost it's original meaning, from a practical standpoint.

K: agreed, but ''WOKE'' can and does mean something for us who aspire to
become better human beings.... and awareness and education are part of
the path to becoming better human beings.... and I personally, would
rather be aware than not aware.....

Kropotkin

I agree with the concept, but is the current label "woke" or something else?

K: being awake, aware, I think that is good enough...
for the time being.... for language itself changes, and the definition
of ''WOKE'' may yet change into something else....

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:54 pm K: being awake, aware...

...of everything but grammar, history, and oneself. On those topics, it means "totally asleep."

Peter Kropotkin:
Ask anti-WOKERS what ''WOKE'' actually means and one will
get silence for an answer.... ''ANTI-WOKERS"" have no idea what
WOKE actually means....

IC: Except, we do.

"Woke" is a misnomer. It was originally a misconjugation, an errant attempt to create a new adjective, and grammatically, should have been "awakened." Thus, it began as a product of semi-literacy. The hubristic import of it is supposed to be to suggest to critics that "We are awake to the important issues of justice, to which you lot are asleep." That's the obvious bit.

More academically, it means "Cultural Marxist." Thus it describes a large group of the Radical Left, including a wide variety of mutually-conflictual agendas, everything from race to sex to 'gender' to transing to fat to disability to aboriginality...and so on...as many grievance-styles as can be invoked to promote social disestablishment, which is supposed (according to the Neo-Marxists) to issue automatically in Marxist "liberations" of unspecified kinds.

In practice, as James Lindsay has aptly said, it means something like, "Calling everything racist, until you control it." Nicely put.

It's not a thing to be proud of.



K: the fact is that we on the left, don't think in terms of ''cultural Marxism''
because there is no such thing... it is a made-up thing from conservatives
and those on the right who need an easy to digest explanation for
the thoughts of those on the left...... the fact is that we on the left
don't think in terms of Marxism... a term I have rejected time and time again...
one can be on the left without, without being a Marxist... and those
on the right just can't understand how one can be on the left, without
being a Marxist..... it is rather easy.... and any type of study of the history
of Liberals from 1950 to 2000 can show us the many ways that one can
be liberal without being a Marxists...as a study of both Isaiah Berlin
and Richard Rorty can show us, just to name a few on the left who
are not Marxists....

or to say this another way.... the claim of ''Cultural Marxism'' is just
a red herring meant to hide the fact that it doesn't exists...
but if it doesn't exist, so many of the arguments of the right,
falls apart.... and that is what the right is trying to avoid....
by shouting as loud as possible "Cultural Marxism'' the right is trying to hide
the emptiness of their arguments...as you did......

Kropotkin

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:57 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:54 pm K: being awake, aware...

...of everything but grammar, history, and oneself. On those topics, it means "totally asleep."

K: show us, give us arguments that prove your point.....

Kropotkin

It's just a shorter way of saying 'sanctimonious, shallow, virtue-signalling, condescending, moralising, hypocritical wanker'. Imagine being 'proud' to be all of that

The only people who profess to not know what it means are those it's referring to. Their conceit doesn't allow them to admit to it plus they are too stupid to understand irony.

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:59 pm It's just a shorter way of saying 'sanctimonious, shallow, virtue-signalling, hypocritical wanker'. Imagine being 'proud' to be all of that

The only people who say they don't know what it means are those it's referring to. Their conceit doesn't allow them to.

K: accelafine is just practicing ignorance here.... I suggest that
if he were actually serious, he would give us examples, real life
examples of his accusations... the proof is in the pudding,
as they say.... so, how is being ''WOKE''' being ''sanctimonious, shallow,
virtue-signaling, hypocritical, wanker''

please be specific in your accusations... give us specific examples
of how being ''WOKE" is what you claim it to be?


Kropotkin

''The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:10 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:57 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 6:54 pm K: being awake, aware...

...of everything but grammar, history, and oneself. On those topics, it means "totally asleep."

K: show us, give us arguments that prove your point.....

Wokies don't know grammar. If they did, they wouldn't call themselves "woke." Wokies don't know history. If they did, they'd never support Marxism...unless they were homicidal maniacs. Wokies don't know themselves. They think they are virtuous, insightful, advocates for justice. They are the playthings of ideologues and authoritarians.

They aren't "awake" to any of these things that describe their real situation.

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 8:36 pm ''The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

K: please be specific in your accusations... give us specific examples
of how being ''WOKE" is what you claim it to be?

K: so, you don't have any actual examples to show us
about being ''WOKE''... OR anything specific?
How typical... make accusations with no evidence or proof....

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 7:08 pm Peter Kropotkin:
Ask anti-WOKERS what ''WOKE'' actually means and one will
get silence for an answer.... ''ANTI-WOKERS"" have no idea what
WOKE actually means....

IC: Except, we do.

"Woke" is a misnomer. It was originally a misconjugation, an errant attempt to create a new adjective, and grammatically, should have been "awakened." Thus, it began as a product of semi-literacy. The hubristic import of it is supposed to be to suggest to critics that "We are awake to the important issues of justice, to which you lot are asleep." That's the obvious bit.

More academically, it means "Cultural Marxist." Thus it describes a large group of the Radical Left, including a wide variety of mutually-conflictual agendas, everything from race to sex to 'gender' to transing to fat to disability to aboriginality...and so on...as many grievance-styles as can be invoked to promote social disestablishment, which is supposed (according to the Neo-Marxists) to issue automatically in Marxist "liberations" of unspecified kinds.

In practice, as James Lindsay has aptly said, it means something like, "Calling everything racist, until you control it." Nicely put.

It's not a thing to be proud of.

K: the fact is that we on the left, don't think in terms of ''cultural Marxism''

The fact is that you don't think. You follow. The only ones thinking are the ideologues in control. The average "footsoldier" is woefully ignorant.

... it is a made-up thing from conservatives
and those on the right who need an easy to digest explanation for
the thoughts of those on the left......

No. It's the actual patrimony of the movement. If you don't know that, you don't know anything about your own history or ideology.

... the fact is that we on the left
don't think in terms of Marxism...

That's because you're a perfect example of Lenin's term, "useful idiots." You're people who don't realize who's leading you around.

...the many ways that one can
be liberal without being a Marxists...

"Liberal" and "Marxist" are not close terms at all. No Marxist is "liberal" in a small-l sense, none share key values with classical Liberals, either. Marxists hate classical liberals. Classical liberals want freedoms and rights for individuals. Marxists want to eliminate individual rights, in favour of group rights, and establish unitary Big Government to control all aspects of social and personal life.

You either don't know what a "Wokie" actually is, or you're lying. For Wokies, both are usual.