the struggle with the truth...
Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 5:51 pm
ATTO: IF you want to work out your own philosophy and beliefs then keep it in your brain or perhaps a file on PC - why spout your waffling crap all over this forum since whenever your poorly reasoned posts are challenged by someone with a more reasonable answer, you either don't reply or continue to talk the same shit without comprehending what the challenger has pointed out.
Take your ridiculous view Christianity and Islam have equally evil doctrine. I have asked you countless time to provide scripture evidence comparing Christ words to Mohammads - and you have got sweet fuck all to offer to support your belief - but will you admit NOW that Islam is indeed instructing its follower to commit far more evil than anything Christ ever stated??
NO!!! - you can't admit you are wrong. I have been taught many things on this forum over the years - never studied philosophy - but on the few occasions someone has corrected me - I AM MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG.
K: as is my habit, I have been thinking about this bit......
Keep in mind that I am an atheist... non-believer in any religion....
for me, the heroes of the bible are not in the New Testament...
but in the Old Testament... the ones who ''wrestled" with god....
not the one who unthinkingly just did what god said, but who
questioned god about what is right and wrong.... for me,
that is the point of the bible.... not to blindly accept but to
question.... Job is an idiot... however, Jacob... Jacob wrestling
with god is about a true, personal relationship with god.. not
blind faith in religious dogma.... and that leads me to a point,
that we should be wrestling with ideas, faith, god, religions,
politics, theology and philosophy... to name a few things we
should be wrestling with.... struggling with...
the point of faith, for me anyway, is to wrestle with, to struggle with
what it means to be human in terms of religion...... and my
''problem'' with both Christianity and Islam, stem from the exact
same thing.... they begin with faith and not struggle or doubt....
and they are equally wrong/evil in terms of being questions
of faith, instead of questions of doubt...
for me, questions of ''truth'' are found in the struggle, the wrestling
with the ''truth''... revelations mean nothing to me because
they are not found in struggle or wrestling... you just accept
the revelations and move on...... that is weak ass as well as
being lazy.... I have no interest in ''truths'' that I haven't wrestle,
struggle with.....
but this also applies to philosophy as well..... my philosophical
truths are truths I have fought with, struggle with, wrestled with.....
what are your ''truths'' and have you fought with them, struggled with them?
or have you just accepted them as revelations and moved on?
it is not a question of being right or wrong... it is a question of,
have you struggled with the ''truth?".. and one might say, might,
that the real question is not whether something is right or wrong,
but the struggle, the wrestling is the important thing...
yes....
Kropotkin
Take your ridiculous view Christianity and Islam have equally evil doctrine. I have asked you countless time to provide scripture evidence comparing Christ words to Mohammads - and you have got sweet fuck all to offer to support your belief - but will you admit NOW that Islam is indeed instructing its follower to commit far more evil than anything Christ ever stated??
NO!!! - you can't admit you are wrong. I have been taught many things on this forum over the years - never studied philosophy - but on the few occasions someone has corrected me - I AM MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG.
K: as is my habit, I have been thinking about this bit......
Keep in mind that I am an atheist... non-believer in any religion....
for me, the heroes of the bible are not in the New Testament...
but in the Old Testament... the ones who ''wrestled" with god....
not the one who unthinkingly just did what god said, but who
questioned god about what is right and wrong.... for me,
that is the point of the bible.... not to blindly accept but to
question.... Job is an idiot... however, Jacob... Jacob wrestling
with god is about a true, personal relationship with god.. not
blind faith in religious dogma.... and that leads me to a point,
that we should be wrestling with ideas, faith, god, religions,
politics, theology and philosophy... to name a few things we
should be wrestling with.... struggling with...
the point of faith, for me anyway, is to wrestle with, to struggle with
what it means to be human in terms of religion...... and my
''problem'' with both Christianity and Islam, stem from the exact
same thing.... they begin with faith and not struggle or doubt....
and they are equally wrong/evil in terms of being questions
of faith, instead of questions of doubt...
for me, questions of ''truth'' are found in the struggle, the wrestling
with the ''truth''... revelations mean nothing to me because
they are not found in struggle or wrestling... you just accept
the revelations and move on...... that is weak ass as well as
being lazy.... I have no interest in ''truths'' that I haven't wrestle,
struggle with.....
but this also applies to philosophy as well..... my philosophical
truths are truths I have fought with, struggle with, wrestled with.....
what are your ''truths'' and have you fought with them, struggled with them?
or have you just accepted them as revelations and moved on?
it is not a question of being right or wrong... it is a question of,
have you struggled with the ''truth?".. and one might say, might,
that the real question is not whether something is right or wrong,
but the struggle, the wrestling is the important thing...
yes....
Kropotkin