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C'MON ORANGE MAN!!

At least he knows how important it is to protect the border - the only way to protect citiziens of USA is keep the ISLAMIC EVIL IDEOLOGY migration OUT.

Again, Muslims are instructed to do this: (even if eventually - ya know once their vote starts to count - and the time is right to call Jihad on their neigbours as they did in Lebanon.

2. Killing on non-believers
“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

Mohammed’s last words: 'Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians because they took the graves of their Prophets as places for praying."'


3. Killing apostates
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Quran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."


4. Rape of captured women enemies
Qur’an 4:24 permits intercourse with women captured in jihad (holy war). The verse states: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.” This implies that female captives can be taken as concubines or wives by Muslim men after they have been captured in battle


PS. There are 11 islamic countries that have the death penalty for homosexuals, yes they're killed just just being homosexuals. "Allah" instructs that theives have their hands chopped off

What’s worse than an ignorant bigot?
An arrogant ignorant bigot.

Anyone notice how wokesters never argue about anything? All they do is trot out their stock handful of insults. This 'mick' fellow inserts himself now and then but never writes more than one or two sentences or has anything to say except make some snarky insult. He's completely pointless.
Wokists are the most horrible people. I've never come across a pleasant or intelligent one.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 8:22 am 3. Killing apostates
Bukhari[52:260] "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Quran[4:89] "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Interesting side note. Muslims don't have "conversion." They have what they call "reversion."

What's the difference? The difference is that in other religious thought, a person "converts into" the new religion, because they were not that before. A person who was an agnostic and becomes a Catholic, say, "converts" from agnosticism to Catholicism. But in Islam, the assumption is that the natural state of all people, when born, is Islamic. This is called "fitra". All people, before they were born, are said to have met Allah and to have committed to submitting to his rules.In other words, all people, whether they know it or not, were born Muslim and either were misled by their parents or apostatized from it later. Thus, when somebody goes from, say, being an agnostic or Catholic to being a Muslim, they "revert" to their original Islamism.

Why might this be interesting? Because if that's right, then in Islamic eyes, every person who does not submit to Islam is essentially an apostate. They have "turned their backs." And thus the whole weight of the passage above applies not merely to people who leave Islam as, say, people of age of responsibility, but to everybody who does not immediately "revert" to Islam when it is demanded of them.

I don't imagine that the rules of "converting" to Trumpism are anything close to that stringent.

The littel doggy seems to have suffered from a psychotic episode.

He is now a Trumper, Misogynistic, racist, and Islampphobe. Pretty much over night change..

Must be something in the water.

''The wokesters never let you down. Everyone who doesn't share their idiocy is 'troll, bigot, racist, ____phobe'. I think that about covers their entire arsenal of 'counterarguments' ''

He is now a Trumper:- CORRECT

Misogynistic:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

racist:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

Islampphobe:- I HAVE HAD A RATIONAL FEAR OF THE OP KORANIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR DONKEYS YEARS.

Must be something in the water.:- NO, IT IS THE MOUNTING ACCOUNTS OF ISLAM SCUM ON YOUTUBE - IN YOUR AREA - LONDON

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 6:31 am He is now a Trumper:- CORRECT

Misogynistic:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

racist:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

Islampphobe:- I HAVE HAD A RATIONAL FEAR OF THE OP KORANIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR DONKEYS YEARS.

Must be something in the water.:- NO, IT IS THE MOUNTING ACCOUNTS OF ISLAM SCUM ON YOUTUBE - IN YOUR AREA - LONDON

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:49 pm He is now a Misogynistic, racist

AGAIN, where is your evidence that I am misogynistic and racist?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:26 pmBut in Islam, the assumption is that the natural state of all people, when born, is Islamic. This is called "fitra". All people, before they were born, are said to have met Allah and to have committed to submitting to his rules.In other words, all people, whether they know it or not, were born Muslim and either were misled by their parents or apostatized from it later. Thus, when somebody goes from, say, being an agnostic or Catholic to being a Muslim, they "revert" to their original Islamism.

Why might this be interesting? Because if that's right, then in Islamic eyes, every person who does not submit to Islam is essentially an apostate.

I have met plenty of Christians who think the same about their beliefs.

This, of course, isn't an inherently super-dangerous belief on its own, even if it's incorrect. You were right to point out how Muslims feel about apostates, since that paired with this belief is a recipe for some truly evil shit.

Apostasy is a human right.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 2:41 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:26 pmBut in Islam, the assumption is that the natural state of all people, when born, is Islamic. This is called "fitra". All people, before they were born, are said to have met Allah and to have committed to submitting to his rules.In other words, all people, whether they know it or not, were born Muslim and either were misled by their parents or apostatized from it later. Thus, when somebody goes from, say, being an agnostic or Catholic to being a Muslim, they "revert" to their original Islamism.

Why might this be interesting? Because if that's right, then in Islamic eyes, every person who does not submit to Islam is essentially an apostate.

I have met plenty of Christians who think the same about their beliefs.

Actually, you've met none. It's not Christian theology, at all. There's no theology of pre-conception, no "submission" by force, as in Islam, and no killing apostates, as in Islam, and conversion is a choice -- or else it's inauthentic, non-salvific and worthless. That's what Christians believe.

Apostasy is a human right.

It is, actually. It's called the right of freedom of conscience, and the person who established the fundamental argument for it was John Locke, who was a Protestant, and argued for it based on explicitly Protestant assumptions.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 6:30 pm Actually, you've met none. It's not Christian theology, at all.

You think every Christian only believes exactly what Christian theologians tell them to believe?

There's a wide range of beliefs among Christians, which you'd expect. Don't no true Scotsman it.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 6:59 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 6:30 pm Actually, you've met none. It's not Christian theology, at all.

You think every Christian only believes exactly what Christian theologians tell them to believe?

Some people just call themselves "Christians," but have no theology at all. However, they aren't really Christians, are they? They aren't following Christ, so analytically, they have no legitimage claim to association with Him. That's not "Scotsman" stuff: that's just having a meaning for the word.

Christians, by definition, don't just go by theologians. They read their own Bibles. And the Bible says, "Love your enemies, and do good to those who hate you." Their Bibles do not tell them about any pre-conception agreements, or "reversion," or killing of apostates. And you can read the same, if you ever read the Bible.

Christians believe all sorts of things it doesn't say in the bible. Definitely "Scotsman" stuff going on here.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 2:09 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2024 6:31 am He is now a Trumper:- CORRECT

Misogynistic:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

racist:- PROVIDE EVIDENCE

Islampphobe:- I HAVE HAD A RATIONAL FEAR OF THE OP KORANIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR DONKEYS YEARS.

Must be something in the water.:- NO, IT IS THE MOUNTING ACCOUNTS OF ISLAM SCUM ON YOUTUBE - IN YOUR AREA - LONDON

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 10:49 pm He is now a Misogynistic, racist

AGAIN, where is your evidence that I am misogynistic and racist?

Classic projection. I've seen no evidence of that from you, but a mountain to suggest that he is both.

Christians, by definition, don't just go by theologians. They read their own Bibles. And the Bible says, "Love your enemies, and do good to those who hate you." Their Bibles do not tell them about any pre-conception agreements, or "reversion," or killing of apostates. And you can read the same, if you ever read the Bible.

If the reference were to Catholics, you’d need to amend your statement. Catholics might read their bibles, but they depend far more on the works of master theologians.

The Bible may indeed recommend loving enemies and doing them good — but even an outsider can see that enacting such an ethical injunction is extremely fraught.

It requires thoughtful, complex consideration as to what “doing good” to those who have murdered your kin (for example) actually is or should be.

The average man on the street is likely incapable of working this out. But he could •forgive• that jerk who cut him off in traffic or flipped him the bird.

But those who instigated the Bataclan theatre massacre — how do you “do good” to them even if they had lived? Or how would you “do good” to the Americans in their destructive invasion and occupation of Iraq?

On another note: Christian theological concepts about life here are based on the understanding that man fell from divine order into the chaos of disorder. The function of theology, and God’s core project, is to reestablish the divine order in man and in this world. So in that sense •the disordered soul• must be restored to its original integrity.

The idea is similar to, but obviously not the same, as the Islamic notion.