Philosophy Now Forum

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How are we to resolve the current increase of strife in the world?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we go back to the way things were with perpetually volatile battle lines drawn between competing political impulses or is it necessary to resolve the current situation more decisively, to essentially pick a side that we think is the more worthy and move forward from there in hopes that the side of greater evil doesn't win?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How long can some of us sit on the fence and watch?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we do it until the side that we want least to prevail actually does prevail?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Are all sides in this conflict equally valid?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Is it moral perfection to tolerate all beliefs in a happily peaceful world of multipolitical diversity?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am And what about the threat of nuclear escalation? How can that be avoided?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am I offer the opinion piece below, which I recently came across, as possibly being a reasonable assessment of one of the current boiling points in the world--the conflict in Gaza:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/we ... 823c&ei=16

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:25 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How are we to resolve the current increase of strife in the world?

Well continually doing what you adult human beings have doing for the last few millennia or so to resolve the appearance of 'the current increase of strife in the world', again over the last few millennia or so, hopefully, by now, some would agree has not been working at all.

Now, how to actually resolve not just 'some apparent increase of strife in the world', in the days when this is being written, but for evermore for all of 'the strife' in 'the world' is by first admitting who is causing and creating all of the so-called 'strife' in 'the world'.

And, obviously, it is you adult human beings, alone. Absolutely no thing nor no one else is contributing to 'the strife' in 'the world'. And, just as obvious all of you adult human beings are complicit in one way or another.

Now, once just one of you can admit to and accept this fully. Then, I can help you find, uncover, and see 'the resolution' to all 'strife, forever more'. But, until absolutely anyone comes forward, in a Truly OPEN and Honest sincere way, and seriously is seeking to change, "themself" for the better here, then 'we' can proceed. Until then you people are, literally, on your own here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we go back to the way things were with perpetually volatile battle lines drawn between competing political impulses or is it necessary to resolve the current situation more decisively, to essentially pick a side that we think is the more worthy and move forward from there in hopes that the side of greater evil doesn't win?

Just picking "a side" where not every one is in agreement is 'evil', itself. It is 'picking' or 'choosing' 'some' over 'others', which is bad, Wrong, or evil, whatever way you want to 'look at' and 'see' things.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How long can some of us sit on the fence and watch?

Well you adult human beings have been doing this for millennia hitherto, so may be for another few thousands years or more. It would all depend on if you eradicate "yourselves" from earth beforehand.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we do it until the side that we want least to prevail actually does prevail?

Well the "side" that all want least to prevail, is the "side" that is actually bad, Wrong, or evil. And, obviously, no one wants "that side" to prevail. So, what you asked here was some really weird stuff.

Would you really stop sitting on the fence and stop watching to just go on "the side" of evil, for just some whatever reason "gary childress"?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Are all sides in this conflict equally valid?

There are only actually 'two sides' here to pick and/or choose from. All other "sides" are just False or Wrong misinterpretations and/or beliefs.

The only things with 'sides' here are the one of 'good' and the one of 'bad'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Is it moral perfection to tolerate all beliefs in a happily peaceful world of multipolitical diversity?

How could absolutely anyone of or with Truly 'morality' 'tolerate' one with a belief that abusing others is okay or all right?

Also, 'politics' plays absolutely no part at all in a Truly 'happy and peaceful harmonious world'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am And what about the threat of nuclear escalation? How can that be avoided?

By just 'growing up' and 'maturing' properly and Correctly.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am I offer the opinion piece below, which I recently came across, as possibly being a reasonable assessment of one of the current boiling points in the world--the conflict in Gaza:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/we ... 823c&ei=16

What do you see in 'those words', exactly, as, supposedly, being a 'reasonable assessment' of just another adult human being created and caused war?

Also, the heading of that so-called 'opinion piece' provides a direct link and insight into one's very strongly held onto 'beliefs', and not just some 'opinion', which could be OPEN to being wrong or incorrect in any way.

The heading, We’ve got to stop believing Hamas’ lies about civilian deaths in Gaza. really is as absurd and ridiculous as it first sounded.

Have you human beings got to stop believing any and all 'lies' said or written in regards to absolutely any and every thing?

Or, do you have only got to stop believing the lies on the "other side" of "the side" you have chosen to follow?

What I have written above is what I'm seeing after reading that article.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:08 pm Putin invaded Ukraine without himself being attacked.

Fair enough.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:08 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:25 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How are we to resolve the current increase of strife in the world?

Well continually doing what you adult human beings have doing for the last few millennia or so to resolve the appearance of 'the current increase of strife in the world', again over the last few millennia or so, hopefully, by now, some would agree has not been working at all.

Now, how to actually resolve not just 'some apparent increase of strife in the world', in the days when this is being written, but for evermore for all of 'the strife' in 'the world' is by first admitting who is causing and creating all of the so-called 'strife' in 'the world'.

And, obviously, it is you adult human beings, alone. Absolutely no thing nor no one else is contributing to 'the strife' in 'the world'. And, just as obvious all of you adult human beings are complicit in one way or another.

Now, once just one of you can admit to and accept this fully. Then, I can help you find, uncover, and see 'the resolution' to all 'strife, forever more'. But, until absolutely anyone comes forward, in a Truly OPEN and Honest sincere way, and seriously is seeking to change, "themself" for the better here, then 'we' can proceed. Until then you people are, literally, on your own here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we go back to the way things were with perpetually volatile battle lines drawn between competing political impulses or is it necessary to resolve the current situation more decisively, to essentially pick a side that we think is the more worthy and move forward from there in hopes that the side of greater evil doesn't win?

Just picking "a side" where not every one is in agreement is 'evil', itself. It is 'picking' or 'choosing' 'some' over 'others', which is bad, Wrong, or evil, whatever way you want to 'look at' and 'see' things.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am How long can some of us sit on the fence and watch?

Well you adult human beings have been doing this for millennia hitherto, so may be for another few thousands years or more. It would all depend on if you eradicate "yourselves" from earth beforehand.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Can we do it until the side that we want least to prevail actually does prevail?

Well the "side" that all want least to prevail, is the "side" that is actually bad, Wrong, or evil. And, obviously, no one wants "that side" to prevail. So, what you asked here was some really weird stuff.

Would you really stop sitting on the fence and stop watching to just go on "the side" of evil, for just some whatever reason "gary childress"?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Are all sides in this conflict equally valid?

There are only actually 'two sides' here to pick and/or choose from. All other "sides" are just False or Wrong misinterpretations and/or beliefs.

The only things with 'sides' here are the one of 'good' and the one of 'bad'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am Is it moral perfection to tolerate all beliefs in a happily peaceful world of multipolitical diversity?

How could absolutely anyone of or with Truly 'morality' 'tolerate' one with a belief that abusing others is okay or all right?

Also, 'politics' plays absolutely no part at all in a Truly 'happy and peaceful harmonious world'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am And what about the threat of nuclear escalation? How can that be avoided?

By just 'growing up' and 'maturing' properly and Correctly.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:23 am I offer the opinion piece below, which I recently came across, as possibly being a reasonable assessment of one of the current boiling points in the world--the conflict in Gaza:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/we ... 823c&ei=16

What do you see in 'those words', exactly, as, supposedly, being a 'reasonable assessment' of just another adult human being created and caused war?

Also, the heading of that so-called 'opinion piece' provides a direct link and insight into one's very strongly held onto 'beliefs', and not just some 'opinion', which could be OPEN to being wrong or incorrect in any way.

The heading, We’ve got to stop believing Hamas’ lies about civilian deaths in Gaza. really is as absurd and ridiculous as it first sounded.

Have you human beings got to stop believing any and all 'lies' said or written in regards to absolutely any and every thing?

Or, do you have only got to stop believing the lies on the "other side" of "the side" you have chosen to follow?

From my perspective, it appears that both Putin and Hamas started hostilities where there previously were none. Putin invaded Ukraine without himself being attacked. Hamas attacked Israel without Israel having attacked them. Indeed, the Israeli government even gave them aid in the form of funding to help keep the peace and as the authority over Gazans, Hamas used virtually all their aid money to buy weapons while their own people thirsted and starved and now use them as shields. Is that Israel's fault? How can we condemn Israel and Ukraine as equally wrong when they are defending themselves? If someone attacked you and I, Age, would you and I not feel betrayed if everyone else around us sat idly by and watched and even condemned us for fighting back?

What I have written above is what I'm seeing after reading that article. I am unable to condemn Israel and Ukraine for defending themselves. And that is what I feel that those of us who disapprove of their conduct are doing--just sitting back and criticizing from our armchairs. Putin and Hamas have left them no choice. Hamas keeps breaking cease-fires to attack Israel and will not stop doing so.

Am I wrong to see things this way?

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:47 pm

Fair enough.

Nothing fair about it.

Vladimir Putin doesn't get to decide which organizations a sovereign Ukraine is allowed to join.

What do you think 'sovereign' means?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:35 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:08 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:25 am

Well continually doing what you adult human beings have doing for the last few millennia or so to resolve the appearance of 'the current increase of strife in the world', again over the last few millennia or so, hopefully, by now, some would agree has not been working at all.

Now, how to actually resolve not just 'some apparent increase of strife in the world', in the days when this is being written, but for evermore for all of 'the strife' in 'the world' is by first admitting who is causing and creating all of the so-called 'strife' in 'the world'.

And, obviously, it is you adult human beings, alone. Absolutely no thing nor no one else is contributing to 'the strife' in 'the world'. And, just as obvious all of you adult human beings are complicit in one way or another.

Now, once just one of you can admit to and accept this fully. Then, I can help you find, uncover, and see 'the resolution' to all 'strife, forever more'. But, until absolutely anyone comes forward, in a Truly OPEN and Honest sincere way, and seriously is seeking to change, "themself" for the better here, then 'we' can proceed. Until then you people are, literally, on your own here.



Just picking "a side" where not every one is in agreement is 'evil', itself. It is 'picking' or 'choosing' 'some' over 'others', which is bad, Wrong, or evil, whatever way you want to 'look at' and 'see' things.



Well you adult human beings have been doing this for millennia hitherto, so may be for another few thousands years or more. It would all depend on if you eradicate "yourselves" from earth beforehand.


Well the "side" that all want least to prevail, is the "side" that is actually bad, Wrong, or evil. And, obviously, no one wants "that side" to prevail. So, what you asked here was some really weird stuff.

Would you really stop sitting on the fence and stop watching to just go on "the side" of evil, for just some whatever reason "gary childress"?



There are only actually 'two sides' here to pick and/or choose from. All other "sides" are just False or Wrong misinterpretations and/or beliefs.

The only things with 'sides' here are the one of 'good' and the one of 'bad'.


How could absolutely anyone of or with Truly 'morality' 'tolerate' one with a belief that abusing others is okay or all right?

Also, 'politics' plays absolutely no part at all in a Truly 'happy and peaceful harmonious world'.




By just 'growing up' and 'maturing' properly and Correctly.


What do you see in 'those words', exactly, as, supposedly, being a 'reasonable assessment' of just another adult human being created and caused war?

Also, the heading of that so-called 'opinion piece' provides a direct link and insight into one's very strongly held onto 'beliefs', and not just some 'opinion', which could be OPEN to being wrong or incorrect in any way.

The heading, We’ve got to stop believing Hamas’ lies about civilian deaths in Gaza. really is as absurd and ridiculous as it first sounded.

Have you human beings got to stop believing any and all 'lies' said or written in regards to absolutely any and every thing?

Or, do you have only got to stop believing the lies on the "other side" of "the side" you have chosen to follow?

From my perspective, it appears that both Putin and Hamas started hostilities where there previously were none. Putin invaded Ukraine without himself being attacked. Hamas attacked Israel without Israel having attacked them. Indeed, the Israeli government even gave them aid in the form of funding to help keep the peace and as the authority over Gazans, Hamas used virtually all their aid money to buy weapons while their own people thirsted and starved and now use them as shields. Is that Israel's fault? How can we condemn Israel and Ukraine as equally wrong when they are defending themselves? If someone attacked you and I, Age, would you and I not feel betrayed if everyone else around us sat idly by and watched and even condemned us for fighting back?

What I have written above is what I'm seeing after reading that article. I am unable to condemn Israel and Ukraine for defending themselves. And that is what I feel that those of us who disapprove of their conduct are doing--just sitting back and criticizing from our armchairs. Putin and Hamas have left them no choice. Hamas keeps breaking cease-fires to attack Israel and will not stop doing so.

Am I wrong to see things this way?

'you', a human being, are not wrong for seeing anything in any way.

However, in saying that, what you are seeing could be ultimately absolutely Wrong, or anywhere between being absolutely Wrong to being absolutely Right.

Where you, and even why you, are seeing things here only from a very, very narrowed perspective, and thus not seeing things in the Right way, partly explains why you are not recognising and seeing the whole and True full picture here,

The way you are 'looking at', and thus 'seeing', things here is not in 'the way' that paints and illustrates the Truest and biggest Picture, for you.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:58 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:47 pm

Fair enough.

Nothing fair about it.

Vladimir Putin doesn't get to decide which organizations a sovereign Ukraine is allowed to join.

What do you think 'sovereign' means?

If you agree with my post, then I don't understand why you asked me to "read more articles".

phyllo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:25 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:58 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:47 pm
Nothing fair about it.

Vladimir Putin doesn't get to decide which organizations a sovereign Ukraine is allowed to join.

What do you think 'sovereign' means?

If you agree with my post, then I don't understand why you asked me to "read more articles".

I didn't agree with your posts.

The OP is based on an article that could have been written by the Israeli Ministry of Propaganda.

Which is why I think you ought to read something written from another perspective.

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:29 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:08 pm Putin invaded Ukraine without himself being attacked.

In the conflict in Ukraine, not everything is so simple; before attacking, Putin warned verbally and in writing that he would not tolerate NATO in Kyiv, which was the capital of the Russian state a thousand years before the concept of “Ukraine” appeared. But the West did not even agree to discuss this, and used Ukrainian nationalists for its proxy war against Russia.
In Russia, for more than a thousand years, Kyiv has been called “the mother of Russian cities.” Modern Russia has recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine, but a hostile NATO in Kyiv is a spit in the soul. Much more can be added that modern Ukraine received Western Ukraine, the Carpathians, Transcarpathia, Northern Bukovina from Stalin, and the Ukrainian nationalist Petliura abandoned claims to Western Ukraine for the sake of a war against Russia together with Poland.
But this is so, by the way, I said.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:12 pm But Gary a lotta Russians like Putin and his autocratic style government. What we need to do is let the Russian people decide for themselves what they want. If one day they've had enough and shout 'screw this for a lark!', (as the great revolutionary Rosa Lichtenstein once put it), they will rise up with their hammers and sickles once again... and we will lead them to their victory!