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The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:21 am
by Dontaskme
Ethical theory and the moral responsibility of a self-aware being from a nondual understanding or realisation.
Another fascinating discussion between two nondualist philosophers. Tim and dicky discuss in great detail the necessary importance of human morality and the duty to one's own self is ultimately one's own responsibility when it comes to knowing you have a self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jekt2TgGEj0
Richard Sylvester & Tim Freke debate non-duality.
Duration: 1hour 37mins.
A fantastic video for anyone interested in the Nondual nature of existence.
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:41 am
by Veritas Aequitas
The above trio merely discussed their preferred approach to non-dualism.
To discuss nondual, it would be wise to grasp its vast coverage below fully before settling to any particular mode of nondualism.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism
Contents
Etymology
Definitions
Nondual awareness
Appearance in various religious traditions
Origins
Nondual reality: Nasadiya Sukta
Nondual awareness: Samkhya and yoga
Origins and development
Philosophy
Upanishads
Buddhism
Indian Buddhism
Nirvana, luminous mind, and Buddha-nature
Nirvana
Luminous mind
Buddha-nature
Advaya
Madhyamaka
Yogācāra tradition
Tantric Buddhism
East-Asian Buddhism
Chinese
Zen
Korean
Tibetan Buddhism
Adyava: Gelugpa school Prasangika Madhyamaka
Shentong
Dzogchen
Garab Dorje's three statements
Hinduism
Vedanta
Advaita Vedanta
Three levels of reality
Similarities and differences with Buddhism
Vishishtadvaita Vedanta
Neo-Vedanta
Kashmir Shaivism
Contemporary Indian traditions
Natha Sampradaya and Inchegeri Sampradaya
Neo-Advaita
Other eastern religions
Sikhism
Taoism
Western traditions
Medieval Abrahamic religions
Christian contemplation and mysticism
Jewish Hasidism and Kabbalism
Western philosophy
Nondual consciousness as common essence
Perennial philosophy
Orientalism
Scholarly debates
Nondual consciousness and mystical experience
The concept of "religious experience"
Criticism
Rejection of the common core thesis
Phenomenology
I believe nondualism-proper [applicable to the individuals] do have an influence in contributing positively to morality but one still need to understand fully what is morality about especially in relation to that of humanity.
Re Taoism it is Actionless-Action towards morality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei
- Wu wei is an ancient Chinese concept literally meaning "inexertion", "inaction", or "effortless action".[a][1][2]
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Describing a state of personal harmony, free-flowing spontaneity and laissez-faire, it generally also more properly denotes a state of spirit or mind, and in Confucianism accords with conventional morality.
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:59 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Experience is never 'non-dualistic'.
If non-dualism is associated with any 'experience', seeing, knowing, feeling pure of otherwise, then that would be an oxymoron.
Criticism
The notion of "experience" has been criticised.[353][354][355] Robert Sharf points out that "experience" is a typical Western term, which has found its way into Asian religiosity via western influences.[353][note 31]
Insight is not the "experience" of some transcendental reality, but is a cognitive event, the (intuitive) understanding or "grasping" of some specific understanding of reality, as in kensho[357] or anubhava.[358]
"Pure experience" does not exist; all experience is mediated by intellectual and cognitive activity.[359][360] A pure consciousness without concepts, reached by cleaning the doors of perception, would be an overwhelming chaos of sensory input without coherence.[361]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism#Criticism
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:04 am
by Dontaskme
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:59 am
Experience is never 'non-dualistic'.
If non-dualism is associated with any 'experience', seeing, knowing, feeling pure of otherwise, then that would be an oxymoron.
Criticism
The notion of "experience" has been criticised.[353][354][355] Robert Sharf points out that "experience" is a typical Western term, which has found its way into Asian religiosity via western influences.[353][note 31]
Insight is not the "experience" of some transcendental reality, but is a cognitive event, the (intuitive) understanding or "grasping" of some specific understanding of reality, as in kensho[357] or anubhava.[358]
"Pure experience" does not exist; all experience is mediated by intellectual and cognitive activity.[359][360] A pure consciousness without concepts, reached by cleaning the doors of perception, would be an overwhelming chaos of sensory input without coherence.[361]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism#Criticism
Very true.
Nonduality is not an experience because there’s no such THING as nonduality. It’s an oxymoron
yes.
The mind falls asleep when it hears nonduality because the mind likes to feel special. The mind thinks what can I do with nothing? It’s of no use to me.
Nonduality is not a theory either. It’s that which does away with all theory.
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:27 am
by Dontaskme
How to experience nonduality ?
Try pointing your finger to the you that call itself a self?
Point your finger to the moon to show a dog…and see the dogs only interest is to sniff the finger
“The Finger Points at the Moon.” This Zen phrase is a commonly used reminder not to be too attached to words and/or teachings and not to confuse either with what they are pointing to”
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:33 am
by Dontaskme
Art is natural- nature is artificial.
Re: The Nondual nature of existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:38 am
by Dontaskme
My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.”
UGK
Only an immoral man can be moral.
If you say you know, you don’t.
yes.