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If you were someone else, someone who woke up one day and realized that the creator of this world created you to just flounder and die, what would you think of that creator?

And if you (looking at that person who was created to flounder and die) were a "devout" follower of "God", what would you do to another person who rejected the creator of this world? Would you treat them differently, perhaps do less favors for them, perhaps shun them in various ways? Perhaps worse?

Supposing all other things were equal, that this rejector of God has committed no serious crimes, that his or her only crime is contempt toward the creator of the universe for having created a universe in which s/he did not belong, then what would that mean? Would that mean that the rejector of the creator of the universe is "unholy"?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm If you were someone else, someone who woke up one day and realized that the creator of this world created you to just flounder and die, what would you think of that creator?

And if you (looking at that person who was created to flounder and die) were a "devout" follower of "God", what would you do to another person who rejected the creator of this world? Would you treat them differently, perhaps do less favors for them, perhaps shun them in various ways? Perhaps worse?

Supposing all other things were equal, that this rejector of God has committed no serious crimes, that his or her only crime is contempt toward the creator of the universe for having created a universe in which s/he did not belong, then what would that mean? Would that mean that the rejector of the creator of the universe is "unholy"?

This question suffers from the same problem that many religions do, namely feel free to exercise your freedom of religion and give everyone else the same courtesy.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:41 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm If you were someone else, someone who woke up one day and realized that the creator of this world created you to just flounder and die, what would you think of that creator?

And if you (looking at that person who was created to flounder and die) were a "devout" follower of "God", what would you do to another person who rejected the creator of this world? Would you treat them differently, perhaps do less favors for them, perhaps shun them in various ways? Perhaps worse?

Supposing all other things were equal, that this rejector of God has committed no serious crimes, that his or her only crime is contempt toward the creator of the universe for having created a universe in which s/he did not belong, then what would that mean? Would that mean that the rejector of the creator of the universe is "unholy"?

This question suffers from the same problem that many religions do, namely feel free to exercise your freedom of religion and give everyone else the same courtesy.

I'm not condemning anyone, only pointing out that many religious folks condemn me according to their theologies. As far as I'm concerned we're all probably facing much the same fate. That's not condemnation. At least I'm not condemning anyone to something I am not condemned myself.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm If you were someone else, someone who woke up one day and realized that the creator of this world created you to just flounder and die, what would you think of that creator?

To WORK OUT who and/or what IS the 'creator' of 'this world' one HAS TO, FIRST, COME-TO and UNDERSTANDING of what the words 'this world' is ACTUALLY REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

And, since 'you', "gary childress", have NEVER even come CLOSE to DESCRIBING what the words 'this world' ACTUALLY MEANS and/or REFERS TO, to 'you', EXACTLY, (even though 'you' have been ASKED for CLARIFICATION on MANY OCCASIONS), this REFUSAL or IGNORANCE EXPLAINS, PARTLY, WHY 'you' have the MOST NEGATIVE of views and perceptions that 'you' OBVIOUSLY HAVE, and MAINTAIN.

1. The Creator of 'this world/the Universe' NEVER created you'to so-call 'just flounder AND die'.

2. The creator of 'this world/the life, or the way of life', in which 'you', human beings, live IN NEITHER just created you to so-call 'just flounder AND die'.

3. The ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS VERY DIFFERENT, INDEED.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm And if you (looking at that person who was created to flounder and die) were a "devout" follower of "God", what would you do to another person who rejected the creator of this world? Would you treat them differently, perhaps do less favors for them, perhaps shun them in various ways? Perhaps worse?

ASSUMING or BELIEVING that 'you were created to flounder AND die' SHOWS and PROVES just how Truly NEGATIVELY 'you', "gary childress", LOOK AT and SEE 'things' here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm Supposing all other things were equal, that this rejector of God has committed no serious crimes, that his or her only crime is contempt toward the creator of the universe for having created a universe in which s/he did not belong, then what would that mean? Would that mean that the rejector of the creator of the universe is "unholy"?

NO.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:14 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:41 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm If you were someone else, someone who woke up one day and realized that the creator of this world created you to just flounder and die, what would you think of that creator?

And if you (looking at that person who was created to flounder and die) were a "devout" follower of "God", what would you do to another person who rejected the creator of this world? Would you treat them differently, perhaps do less favors for them, perhaps shun them in various ways? Perhaps worse?

Supposing all other things were equal, that this rejector of God has committed no serious crimes, that his or her only crime is contempt toward the creator of the universe for having created a universe in which s/he did not belong, then what would that mean? Would that mean that the rejector of the creator of the universe is "unholy"?

This question suffers from the same problem that many religions do, namely feel free to exercise your freedom of religion and give everyone else the same courtesy.

I'm not condemning anyone, only pointing out that many religious folks condemn me according to their theologies. As far as I'm concerned we're all probably facing much the same fate.

What do you mean by 'probably'?

ABSOLUTELY EVERY one 'faces' the EXACT SAME 'thing', after physical bodies stop breathing and stop pumping blood.

ABSOLUTELY NO one is DIFFERENT in this regard.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:54 pm That's not condemnation. At least I'm not condemning anyone to something I am not condemned myself.

ONLY children, while alive, ARE CONDEMNED to 'a life', or to 'a way of life', depending on 'the way of life' that was created, and is being created, FOR 'them'.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:04 am ONLY children, while alive, ARE CONDEMNED to 'a life', or to 'a way of life', depending on 'the way of life' that was created, and is being created, FOR 'them'.

True. Having been a child, I am familiar with how some adults treat children that they're not happy to have around. Such is life.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:24 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:04 am ONLY children, while alive, ARE CONDEMNED to 'a life', or to 'a way of life', depending on 'the way of life' that was created, and is being created, FOR 'them'.

True. Having been a child, I am familiar with how some adults treat children that they're not happy to have around. Such is life.

WHY just GIVE UP "gary childress"?

WHY NOT HELP IN the CHANGING of 'you', adult human beings, for the BETTER, who ARE the creators of 'the world', which human beings and other animals HAVE TO live IN, ON earth?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:13 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:24 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:04 am ONLY children, while alive, ARE CONDEMNED to 'a life', or to 'a way of life', depending on 'the way of life' that was created, and is being created, FOR 'them'.

True. Having been a child, I am familiar with how some adults treat children that they're not happy to have around. Such is life.

WHY just GIVE UP "gary childress"?

WHY NOT HELP IN the CHANGING of 'you', adult human beings, for the BETTER, who ARE the creators of 'the world', which human beings and other animals HAVE TO live IN, ON earth?

There's no way to "help" and there's nothing I have to offer as "help". I've given away most all of my money to "causes". The world is what it is and will probably remain the same for as long as there are living beings in it.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:13 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:24 pm

True. Having been a child, I am familiar with how some adults treat children that they're not happy to have around. Such is life.

WHY just GIVE UP "gary childress"?

WHY NOT HELP IN the CHANGING of 'you', adult human beings, for the BETTER, who ARE the creators of 'the world', which human beings and other animals HAVE TO live IN, ON earth?

There's no way to "help" and there's nothing I have to offer as "help".

When was the last time that you, seriously, LOOKED AT the 'positive side', or 'reality' itself, of 'things'?

Also, by JUST LISTENING, instead of SAYING, CLAIMING, and TELLING "others" that you have NOTHING AT ALL to offer as help, IS HELPING, itself.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm
I've given away most all of my money to "causes".

BUT wanting money, OR thinking or believing that money will help here, is A HUGE CAUSE of the issues in 'the world'.

Giving money TO "others" only EXASPERATES 'the issues' here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm The world is what it is and will probably remain the same for as long as there are living beings in it.

Are you YET AWARE that there is NOT a human being here who UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you are REFERRING TO when you USE the words 'the world'?

And, YOUR view and version here MEANS that 'the world' WILL, probably, REMAIN EXACTLY the Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious place that 'it' OBVIOUSLY WAS, WHEN 'you', human beings, were CREATED, EVOLVED, and CAME into Existence.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:53 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:13 pm

WHY just GIVE UP "gary childress"?

WHY NOT HELP IN the CHANGING of 'you', adult human beings, for the BETTER, who ARE the creators of 'the world', which human beings and other animals HAVE TO live IN, ON earth?

There's no way to "help" and there's nothing I have to offer as "help".

When was the last time that you, seriously, LOOKED AT the 'positive side', or 'reality' itself, of 'things'?

Also, by JUST LISTENING, instead of SAYING, CLAIMING, and TELLING "others" that you have NOTHING AT ALL to offer as help, IS HELPING, itself.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm
I've given away most all of my money to "causes".

BUT wanting money, OR thinking or believing that money will help here, is A HUGE CAUSE of the issues in 'the world'.

Giving money TO "others" only EXASPERATES 'the issues' here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm The world is what it is and will probably remain the same for as long as there are living beings in it.

Are you YET AWARE that there is NOT a human being here who UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you are REFERRING TO when you USE the words 'the world'?

And, YOUR view and version here MEANS that 'the world' WILL, probably, REMAIN EXACTLY the Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious place that 'it' OBVIOUSLY WAS, WHEN 'you', human beings, were CREATED, EVOLVED, and CAME into Existence.

There's no point in it. Either there's a God or there is not. If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life. I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm There's no point in it. Either there's a God or there is not. If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life. I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

Why do you fear dying?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:53 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm

There's no way to "help" and there's nothing I have to offer as "help".

When was the last time that you, seriously, LOOKED AT the 'positive side', or 'reality' itself, of 'things'?

Also, by JUST LISTENING, instead of SAYING, CLAIMING, and TELLING "others" that you have NOTHING AT ALL to offer as help, IS HELPING, itself.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm
I've given away most all of my money to "causes".

BUT wanting money, OR thinking or believing that money will help here, is A HUGE CAUSE of the issues in 'the world'.

Giving money TO "others" only EXASPERATES 'the issues' here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:28 pm The world is what it is and will probably remain the same for as long as there are living beings in it.

Are you YET AWARE that there is NOT a human being here who UNDERSTANDS and KNOWS what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you are REFERRING TO when you USE the words 'the world'?

And, YOUR view and version here MEANS that 'the world' WILL, probably, REMAIN EXACTLY the Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious place that 'it' OBVIOUSLY WAS, WHEN 'you', human beings, were CREATED, EVOLVED, and CAME into Existence.

There's no point in it.

There is, supposedly, no point in 'what', EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm Either there's a God or there is not.

The word 'God' obviously exists. So, there is the word 'God', AND what the word 'God' refers to, EXACTLY, also exists. Therefore, there IS a God. But 'God' is just DIFFERENT from what you imagine, think, or believe 'It' is.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life.

For "others", imagine just how HORRIBLE it would have been for 'this one' living with the BELIEF that 'it' has been SHAFTED IN Life.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

you are NOT the only one as there is at least one "other" here, in this forum, who also has absolute NO desire to be alive, and living.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:35 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm There's no point in it. Either there's a God or there is not. If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life. I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

Why do you fear dying?

GREAT QUESTION.

I AWAIT to SEE if CLARITY is PROVIDED.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:35 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm There's no point in it. Either there's a God or there is not. If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life. I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

Why do you fear dying?

If you don't know, then I couldn't begin to explain it to you. I'm a unique human. No one else can understand me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:24 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:35 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:01 pm There's no point in it. Either there's a God or there is not. If there isn't, then I've been shafted in life. If there is, then I've been shafted in life. I have no more desire to be in this world outside of fear of dying.

Why do you fear dying?

If you don't know, then I couldn't begin to explain it to you. I'm a unique human. No one else can understand me.

How am I supposed to know why you fear dying? I'm sure many people have many reasons, I was just wondering what your reason(s) might be.