Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:20 am
Can 'you', posters, here REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE that 'you' have ALL CHOSEN TO ONLY LOOK AT "one-side" of 'things' and thus are ONLY 'seeing' "one-side" or one perspective of 'things' here?
'This, OBVIOUSLY, Wrong and Incorrect misbehavior' can be SEEN, VERY CLEARLY, in just about EVERY thread in this forum, but even MORE SO in talks about just one of the MANY, MANY continuing wars that 'you', adult human beings, MAKE children SUFFER IN, and ENDURE THROUGH.
What 'you', posters, are DOING here, in this forum, is SHOWING and PROVING the VERY REASON WHY there IS, and HAS BEEN, SO MUCH continuing conflicts and warring.
Let assume for a moment your assessment of everyone here is correct.
Are you referring to ANY one of my assessments here in particular?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Everyone here only looks at one side of things and does not look at things through other perspectives.
Are you here 'trying to' suggest that there are SOME 'things' that ALL of 'you', posters, here do NOT LOOK AT from "one-side" or the "other-side"?
If yes, then 'what', EXACTLY is 'that thing', or 'things'?
Also, I NEVER said that EVERY one only looks at one side of things. I also NEVER said that EVERY one does NOT look at things through other perspectives.
'you', posters, here REALLY DO NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ ACTUAL WORDS BEFORE 'you' WITHOUT MAKING ANY ASSUMPTIONS AT ALL. As DOING SO can all too EASILY and all too SIMPLY lead 'you' COMPLETELY ASTRAY. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True here, ONCE MORE.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
We accept for the moment this is the case and look at this post/thread of yours in that context.
What is this thread doing?
The thread, itself, does NOTHING. However, what 'you', human beings, DO, individually, with ANY 'thing', is SOLELY up to 'your' CHOICE, ALONE.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
First, it is judging everyone here negatively.
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Here we have ANOTHER COMPLETE and UTTER Wrong ASSUMPTION made, ONCE AGAIN.
Which is just FURTHER PROOF of WHY PRESUMING 'things', BEFORE OBTAIN ACTUAL and FULL CLARIFICATION IS just ANOTHER Wrong 'misbehavior' made by 'you', adult human beings.
By the way, NO 'judgment' WAS MADE, let alone ANY so-called 'negative judgment'.
For example, if I was to SAY, BACK in the days, (when ONLY one human being was SAYING and CLAIMING that 'the earth revolves around the sun), TO 'the people' who SAW or BELIEVED otherwise, 'Can 'you', people, here REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE that 'you' have ALL CHOSEN TO ONLY LOOK AT "one-side" of 'things' and thus are ONLY 'seeing' "one-side" or one perspective of 'things' here?' THEN, there would be, ONCE AGAIN, NO 'judgment' being made, and CERTAINLY NO so-called 'negative judgment' AT ALL.
I am just ASKING a CLARIFYING QUESTION, to OBTAIN and GAIN ACTUAL FULL CLARITY.
Also, if absolutely ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that 'that QUESTION' in those two situations somehow IMPLIES a 'negative behavior', on the part of some here, then WHY does 'that one' SEE 'that misbehavior' as being 'negative'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Second, it implies that the author does not do this.
BUT, what I SAID, and WROTE, here did NOT 'imply' ANY such 'thing' AT ALL. If, however, 'you' 'inferred' 'that', then 'that' is a completely separate 'thing'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
So, we have a I/Them split present.
Is 'this' a REAL ISSUE here. Or, do 'you' think or BELIEVE that 'children' are somehow the CAUSE of 'human warring'. If 'I' SEPARATE, or SPLIT, 'those' who CAUSE 'wars' FROM 'those' who DO NOT and CAN NOT, then is 'this' REALLY AN ISSUE, FOR 'you'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Then this is connect to conflicts and wars.
I do NOT KNOW what this sentence MEANS nor IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
It is presented at a general level.
What is, supposedly, presented at a, so-called, 'general level'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
A general negative assessment of everyone here, who are judged to only take one perspective and one side.
WHY do 'you' USE the 'everyone' word, especially considering the ACTUAL WORD that I had CHOSEN, and USED?
And, WHY do 'you' PRESUME that I have made A 'general negative assessment' here?
If I do POINT OUT and SHOW what a 'group of people' ACTUALLY DO, then HOW and WHY does some PRESUMPTION get MADE that there is some sort of 'negativity' being IMPLIED?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
So, now we have another conflict started. One person Age implies that everyone here shares certain characteristics which Age does not have.
'This PRESUMPTION of 'yours' here "iwannaplato" is Wrong, ONCE AGAIN.
It IS this CONTINUAL PRESUMING and ASSUMING which is WHY it TOOK 'these human beings', BACK in 'those days', SO LONG to PROGRESS and MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS WHERE 'human beings', eventually, DO 'END UP'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
And so into the mix of conflicts and perspectives, held by people here who are judged to only take one perspective on each issue, a new us/them with heavy judgments at a very abstract level is tossed.
Here we can CLEARLY SEEN HOW FROM one FIRST PRESUMPTION being Wrong LEADS to FURTHER and FURTHER Wrong ASSUMPTIONS. Which HAS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY DETRACTED FROM what WAS being POINTED OUT and SHOWN, in the beginning. Which WAS, LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' FROM "one-side" ONLY IS A Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior'. Just like ASSUMING 'things' BEFORE ACTUAL and FULLY CLARITY IS OBTAINED FIRST IS ANOTHER Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior' of the 'adult human being'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
I do recognize that you have gone into specific issues, often asking a lot of questions, at the specific issue level.
If someone is supposed to be saavy about human psychology and the root of problems and conflict, how could they at the same time think that a general abstract blaming judgment of everyone here is going to help matters?
BUT, absolutely NO 'general abstract blaming judgment of EVERY one here' has EVER been made. Well NOT by 'me' anyway.
But, PLEASE REMEMBER that 'you' are ABSOLUTELY FREE to ASSUME and BELIEVE absolutely ANY 'thing' you like and/or want to.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
It seems like that is Age's goal: to help matters. To help people notice that they assume many things and don't actually try to find out what is going on. That they take sides and come at discussions with a lot of assumptions. Age would like that to be less the case.
Now WHY would 'you' ASSUME that 'i' would like 'that' to be less the case?
The Fact IS the MORE 'you' do 'that', then MORE EXAMPLES, and PROOF, of WHY doing 'that' IS A Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
That seems like a good goal to me.
Okay.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
But can this thread, given Age's own assessment of the situation, really improv the situation, given that it aims a general, negative assessment at everyone here?
1. But it has NEVER been 'I' who USED the 'everyone' word here. ONLY 'you', "iwannaplato", introduced 'that word', here.
2. 'Trying to' RALLY 'a group' of "others" to BANDY WITH 'you', AGAINST "another" is REALLY NOT the BEST WAY to PRODUCE a CONDUCIVE WAY of living in Peace AND Harmony WITH and FOR "others". BUT, if 'you' NEED people ON "your-side" here "iwannaplato", then 'I', for One, will NEVER STOP NOR PREVENT 'you' from GARNISHING SUPPORT here. But, if 'you' would like to 'now' SAY that 'this' is NOT what 'you' are 'trying to' DO here, then are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE?
3. Also, 'this thread' is NOT 'aiming' to give a 'general, negative assessment at ANY one here, let alone EVERY one'. So, 'your' ASSUMPTION, and/or BELIEF, here is False, Wrong, AND Incorrect ONCE AGAIN. I WAS and AM just PRESENTING 'assessment/s' FROM 'my perspective'.
4. ONLY through SEEKING OUT and GAINING CLARIFICATION could ANY one of 'you' WORK OUT and FIND OUT, EXACTLY, 'the aim' of 'this thread'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
And then a more general question....
Any approach to making things better or helping people includes implicit assumptions about what process will do this. One chooses this approach and not others. One presumably chooses an approach that one thinks will be effective and perhaps most moral or kindest. Whatever the criteria one has ideas about what will work and these ideas are based on knowledge or at least ideas about the people addressed. Given that they are like X, I choose to approach them like this.....
AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is just HOW LOOKING AT 'things' FROM PREEXISTING ASSUMPTIONS or PRESUMPTIONS can CLOUD or FOG what can BE FURTHER LEARNED and/or SEEN AHEAD.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Now the general question: How is it going with your approach, Age?
DIFFERENT, and BETTER, than 'i' FIRST 'thought'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Does it seem like it is helping?
VERY MUCH SO.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Is it possible that your approach in general, here, and the assumptions it is grounded on, is not the best approach?
What 'assumption' are 'you' talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO here "iwannaplato"?
There may well be BETTER 'approaches', but 'this one' is SUFFICE, for 'now' anyway.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
How might your approach be improved?
By LEARNING MORE, in QUICKER 'time', about HOW to COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH 'you', human beings.
BUT, there is ABSOLUTELY RUSH here needed, NOR even wanted. So, 'things' are proceeding along JUST Right, NOW.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
What are the assumptions you have or beliefs or guidelines or ideas that have led you to post here in the way you do and ask the questions you ask and communicate in the ways you do?
There are/were NO 'assumptions' NOR 'beliefs' that I have/had that led 'me' to post here. An 'idea' though is about living in Peace and Harmony, as One.
In case 'you' are STILL NOT YET AWARE I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW to BETTER 'communicate' WITH 'you', human beings. Well 'that' and to ACHIEVE what I have SET OUT TO ACHIEVE.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Do you do assessments of this, from time to time?
NO, in regards to ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, BECAUSE there are/were NO ASSUMPTIONS NOR BELIEFS.
BUT YES, in regards to OTHER 'things'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
What have you learned about yourself, not us, during these assessments?
I LEARNED, and thus HAD ALREADY GAINED and OBTAINED, the ANSWER to the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?' BEFORE I came into this forum.
I had ALSO LEARNED, and UNDERSTOOD, how the term and phrase "yourself" is an OXYMORON and SELF-CONTRADICTORY term/phrase.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Could there be any merit in the reactions people tend to have in relation to your approach here?
The 'reactions' 'you', people, have provided here have, and are, WORKING, PERFECTLY, FROM 'my perspective', and FOR 'the goal' I have SET here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
And given that it seems like, in any case, you want to communicate with us, how could you possibly adjust your approach, if it doesn't seem to be having the effects you might want or think would be good?
WHERE, and WHY, would 'you' have even BEGUN TO OBTAIN the PRESUMPTION and ASSUMPTION that 'the effects' that I would want or that would be 'good' IS NOT OCCURRING and HAPPENING here?
The 'effects' that 'you', responders here, have been PROVIDING, for ALL of 'us' to LOOK AT and SEE has been BETTER than i wanted. In fact ALL of 'your' Honest responses here have been, literally, PERFECT.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
I ask because after all this time, it seems you have a negative judgment here of everyone....everyone.
Although 'you' CONTINUE TO SAY 'this', and so appear to BELIEVE 'this' to be ABSOLUTELY TRUE, 'you' could NOT BE MORE Wrong, NOR Incorrect, even if 'you' WANTED TO BE.
And, to PROVE just HOW Wrong 'your' VIEW or BELIEF IS here, one just has to LOOK THROUGH MY WORDS here for 'this' to be VERIFIED and CONFIRMED.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
So, perhaps your approach hasn't worked so well.
BUT, from my perspective it is working PERFECTLY WELL. And, it could be SAID or ARGUED working even BETTER than EXPECTED.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Of course, you are not responsible for how people respond. On the other hand it seems implicit that you have or think you have a great deal of knowledge about things you consider very important. And yet, it seems to me, you are not communicating in ways that are making the changes you hope to make.
BUT I HAVE NEVER SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES' here.
ONCE MORE, I am here, in this forum, firstly to LEARN HOW to COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH 'you', human beings.
Secondly, I am USING this forum to HELP in REACHING and ACHIEVING 'the goal', which I have SET.
WHY did 'you' PRESUME that I was HOPING to 'make changes' here, in this forum? What LED 'you' to PRESUME such a 'thing', "iwannaplato"?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Yes, one reaction you could have to all this is to post a general, judgmental, negative assessment of everyone - which is what you did here.
'you' appear to be VERY FIXATED ON 'this completely MADE UP VIEW' of 'yours' here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
My guess is this will not change anything and will actually just go into the mix of conflicts and add a little more irritation, defensiveness, etc.
I could be wrong about that.
What can be SEEN here, BETTER 'now', is that 'those people', BACK in 'those days' when this was being written, had a propensity to WANT TO 'CHANGE' "others". And, that 'this' is WHY 'this one' was PRESUMING that 'this' was what I was WANTING TO DO ALSO.
In case ANY one is INTERESTED I am NOT here to 'CHANGE' 'you', posters, here. I am SHOWING and REVEALING the VERY REASONS WHY 'these posters' Truly STEADFASTLY WANTED TO HOLD ONTO 'their' ALREADY OBTAINED and CURRENTLY HELD BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS. JUST LIKE MANY, MANY PREVIOUS 'adult human beings' DID, AS WELL.
The PROPENSITY TO WANT TO CHANGE "others", and SHAPE or FORM 'them' INTO, and WITH, the SAME VIEWS/BELIEFS as "ones' OWN, LEFT 'them' completely BLIND to the Fact that EVERY one IS JUST CONTINUALLY CHANGING ALL OF THE 'TIME', ANYWAY.
CHANGING, either FOR 'good', and the BETTERMENT, or FOR 'bad', and the WORSE, 'these ones' had YET to RECOGNIZE, and SEE.
