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Why and How Hamas has No Moral Compass?

Reporter Stands by Story of Hamas Massacring Babies, Reveals Another Horror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dQjmXLbEHM

In this case, Hamas deliberately and intentional massacre babies without qualms when they saw them;
the usual what-about Israel doing the same is never comparable, because babies and children are killed as a side-effect [collaterally] and never deliberately.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:59 am The only people 'occupying' Gaza are Hamas. Hamas deliberately stores its weapons in hospitals and schools. It uses its own children as human shields and then posts photos of themselves wailing crocodile tears over children that THEY have killed. This has nothing to do with being 'oppressed'. There is big money in Hamas and playing the victim all while beheading babies and burning whole families alive. Yep. That's really what 'normal' people do and and what actual humans support and justify.
A lot of Nazis on this forum. You've got what you wanted, but you might not be as 'safe' as you imagine yourselves to be. England is full of murderous, 'infidel' hating religious nut-jobs.

One very critical element [most not aware] is the above evils are backed constitutionally by the religion itself within the holy texts and Hamas are doing just that by being good Muslims in complying with what the Authority commanded and getting reward that are 10 folds from ordinary worshipping.

• 5:33
  The only reward of those
  who make war upon Allah and His messenger
  and strive after corruption [fasadin] in the land
  will be that they will be killed or crucified,
  or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off,
  or will be expelled out of the land.
  Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

In the holy texts, the the arabic word re corruption is 'fasadin' {فساد [fasaːd]} which is a very loose term for anything that is a threat and negative to the religion, including being a non-believer and the worst being a Jew or a Christian.

In addition, ALL believers [M] are subliminally brainwashed to be anti- and 'condemn' the Jews and Christians 5 times a day in their daily prayers.

• 1:6 Show us the straight path,
  1:7 The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger {Jews} nor of those who go astray [Christians].

This is why it is so easy for most M's moral compass to crack and be damaged whilst duty bound to carry out the commands of God.

The blame should be heavily weighted on the religion itself and not so much on the believers who must be compliant to reap the hereafter rewards as promised.

Notes: KIV

God preserve us from those who think they can preach the sermons of religions they don’t follow.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:31 am Why and How Hamas has No Moral Compass?

Reporter Stands by Story of Hamas Massacring Babies, Reveals Another Horror

In this case, Hamas deliberately and intentional massacre babies without qualms when they saw them;
the usual what-about Israel doing the same is never comparable, because babies and children are killed as a side-effect [collaterally] and never deliberately.

That report was made by an Israeli reporter from an Israeli media, and it was later found to be fake news:

But subsequent reports revealed that no such beheadings have been verified by any Israeli or international source

The beheaded babies tale originated with a report on Israel’s i24News site by reporter Nicole Zedeck, from her interview with Israeli reserve soldier David Ben Zion. Max Blumenthal and Alexander Rubinstein reported on October 11 that Ben Zion is a notorious radical leader in Israel’s West Bank settler movement. Among other things, he called on rampaging armed settlers earlier this year to wipe out the Palestinian village of Harawa, which settlers attacked and burned several times.

Media around the world quickly picked up the i24News report, and the Israeli Prime Minister’s spokesman said that babies and toddlers “with their heads decapitated” had been found at the site. CNN, among others, reported beheadings and “ISIS-style executions”. When journalists asked a spokesman for the Israeli military about the story, the reply was, “We cannot confirm but you can assume it happened.”

Within days, though, the Israeli foreign ministry and armed forces and some correspondents said there was no evidence for the beheadings, and the White House said that Biden was quoting press reports he’d read. It seemed clear by October 12 that no evidence existed to confirm the baby beheadings story. It was fake news, planted by an ideological warrior to stoke tensions in the heat of battle.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023 ... palestine

Contrary to Judaism and Christianity, in Islam it is not allowed to kill babies, women, children and old people in combat. In a narration of Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it is reported the following saying:

• “Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of the Messenger of Allah. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.”(Abu Dawud, Jihad, 90; Naylu’l-Awtar,7/246)

Whereas in Judaism and Christianity as well, there are explicit verses in the Bible that commands the killing of babies, women and Children! In the Bible it is written in the Book of Numbers 31:17-18

• 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
  18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. [Numbers 31:17-18]

And this is what the Israeli government have been doing for more than half a century to the Palestinian women and children. For this, Noam Chomsky who is of Jewish background called Israel a rogue sadistic terrorist pariah state. Ten years ago, he analysed the situation in an interview. Now, ten years later his analysis is still relevant even though the situation got much worse as he anticipated. For example, he was asked to talk about the analogy between Israeli occupation of Palestine and the apartheid system of South Africa. He said:

Noam Chomsky wrote:In the occupied territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it an apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by apartheid you mean South-African style apartheid. What's happening in the occupied territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference: the south-African nationalists needed the black population, that was their workforce with 85% of the workforce of the population. They needed them, they had to sustain them. South-Africa did try to sustain them, they did not put them on a diet.
The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the occupied territories is totally different. They just don't want them. They want them out or at least in prison. That's a very striking difference, which means that the South-African apartheid analogy to the West Bank and occupied territories is just a gift to Israeli violence. It's much worse than that. If you look inside Israel, there is plenty of repression and discrimination. I have written about it extensively for decades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HiUagHbSc0

Two faulty moral compasses...

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/is ... west-bank/

Looking for the definitive moral compass here yourself?

Pick one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ideologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... philosophy

Note how it is applicable or not applicable to Hamas.

Then note how it is not applicable at all to my own fractured and fragmented moral compass:

https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&t=185296

“Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of the Messenger of Allah. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.”(Abu Dawud, Jihad, 90; Naylu’l-Awtar,7/246)"

The irony here is unprecedented if i may say so.

Not only does allah tell his muslims not to kill kiddos, but the jewish god commands the jews to kill kiddos... sometimes even their own (abraham and the sacrifice).

I mean.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:47 pm

No details here. It could indicate many things. like that Israel is good at defending itself? Just a suggestion. How many of those 'Palestinian casualties' were beheaded babies and families burned alive? You can say anything you like with statistics. It's a lazy coward's way out.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:56 pm God preserve us from those who think they can preach the sermons of religions they don’t follow.

WTF is wrong with you? Have you been lobotomised or something?

Perhaps the 'Palestinians' should have been spending all that money on infrastructure instead of weapons, while at the same time depending on Israel for its electricity, food and water. Apparently Israel is now committing 'war crimes' by ceasing aid in the probably futile hope that Hamas will return its hostages unharmed. Gee. I wonder if Egypt will step up and provide food and water. What do you think?
Imagine providing electricity and water to people who are beheading your babies, and being told by the rest of the world that you MUST do this.

Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:05 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:31 am Why and How Hamas has No Moral Compass?

Reporter Stands by Story of Hamas Massacring Babies, Reveals Another Horror

In this case, Hamas deliberately and intentional massacre babies without qualms when they saw them;
the usual what-about Israel doing the same is never comparable, because babies and children are killed as a side-effect [collaterally] and never deliberately.

That report was made by an Israeli reporter from an Israeli media, and it was later found to be fake news:

But subsequent reports revealed that no such beheadings have been verified by any Israeli or international source
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023 ... palestine

I have always make reservations that whatever News I read or heard, they could possibly be fake News.

In the above article, the reporter informed she saw the 'dead babies' with her own eyes, there is some credibility as compared if she merely relied on hearsays from others.

This latest news?

JERUSALEM/TEL AVIV/BRUSSELS, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Israel's government showed U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and NATO defence ministers graphic images of dead children and civilians on Thursday, saying they were killed by Palestinian group Hamas as it builds support for its response.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office also released on social media a picture of a dead infant in a pool of blood and the charred body of a child, part of an apparent effort to stoke global anger against the Gaza militants over Saturday's attack.
https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-mini ... 023-10-12/

This is fake news?
Possibly but not likely since Reuters has reasonably credibility.

Contrary to Judaism and Christianity, in Islam it is not allowed to kill babies, women, children and old people in combat. In a narration of Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it is reported the following saying:

• “Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of the Messenger of Allah. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.”(Abu Dawud, Jihad, 90; Naylu’l-Awtar,7/246)

The Hadiths are not part of the contractual terms ALL Muslims had entered into a contract [covenant] with Allah.
Thus whatever are in the Hadiths are merely guides and not obligatory.

I refer to 5:33 which is a contractual term and thus obligatory and duty bound for all Muslims to comply with the commands of Allah.
As such, it is inherent with the religion that all believers within their contractual terms must comply with 5:33 upon any threat [fasadin] even the slightest to kill non-believers.
However, being humans, not all believers will comply with 5:33.
However if ONLY 10% of all believers were to comply with 5:33 that would be 150 millions of them around the world and that was what happened with a minority of believers [within Hamas] committing the most heinous possible evil act in complying with their contractual terms as a believer.

Even if the Hamas leaders do not permit the killing of civilians, 5:33 as God's words will prevail over all else.

Whereas in Judaism and Christianity as well, there are explicit verses in the Bible that commands the killing of babies, women and Children! In the Bible it is written in the Book of Numbers 31:17-18

• 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
  18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. [Numbers 31:17-18]

This is the usual 'what about' which is off topic.
Two wrongs do not make one right.

All Christians signed a contract with Jesus and God [John 3:16] where the terms of the contract are only in the Gospels. The overriding moral maxim of the Gospels is 'love all, even enemies' as such it imply no humans ought to be killed else one would have sinned.
Whatever are in the OT, Acts and Epistles are merely appendixes and guides to the contract thus not obligatory.

There will be Christians who killed humans, but they are doing the killing on their own but can never be in the name of Christianity.

The OT are applicable to the Jews.
However that Jews must comply with the OT fully is debatable.

Regardless, killing of babies is one of the most heinous evil acts.

On topic, Hamas killed and behead babies because it is sanctioned in their holy texts which contain the contractual terms of their contract with God.

And this is what the Israeli government have been doing for more than half a century to the Palestinian women and children. For this, Noam Chomsky who is of Jewish background called Israel a rogue sadistic terrorist pariah state. Ten years ago, he analysed the situation in an interview. Now, ten years later his analysis is still relevant even though the situation got much worse as he anticipated. For example, he was asked to talk about the analogy between Israeli occupation of Palestine and the apartheid system of South Africa. He said:

Noam Chomsky wrote:In the occupied territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it an apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by apartheid you mean South-African style apartheid. What's happening in the occupied territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference: the south-African nationalists needed the black population, that was their workforce with 85% of the workforce of the population. They needed them, they had to sustain them. South-Africa did try to sustain them, they did not put them on a diet.
The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the occupied territories is totally different. They just don't want them. They want them out or at least in prison. That's a very striking difference, which means that the South-African apartheid analogy to the West Bank and occupied territories is just a gift to Israeli violence. It's much worse than that. If you look inside Israel, there is plenty of repression and discrimination. I have written about it extensively for decades.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HiUagHbSc0

There had been and will be killing of children and babies all over the world.
I don't believe the wanton killing of children is enacted and permitted in their Constitution of Israel.

Whereas Hamas and other Muslims killing of humans [babies, children and adult] are permitted within the contractual terms of their contract with God.

For example, if a Muslim is questioned on Judgment Day, why he killed humans including babies, children and adults, he will quote 5:33 as part of the terms of his contract to avoid hell, there is no way Allah will punish him for that; rather he will be rewarded 10 times greater than the ordinary believer.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:39 pm “Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of the Messenger of Allah. Do not kill a decrepit old man, or a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.”(Abu Dawud, Jihad, 90; Naylu’l-Awtar,7/246)"

The irony here is unprecedented if i may say so.

Not only does allah tell his muslims not to kill kiddos, but the jewish god commands the jews to kill kiddos... sometimes even their own (abraham and the sacrifice).

I mean.

Note my post above.

The above quote is from the Hadiths which are not the contractual terms with Allah.
However 5:33 with sanction the kill non-believers upon the slightest threat to the religion is a contractual term that all believers must comply with.

I am not that familiar with the Jews and their OT.
I understand certain verses in the OT are not to be taken literally, i.e. they were only stories to convey certain knowledge.

In any case, there is no moral room for humans to kill babies and children at all.

Muslims when told of the evil acts of their brethren will resort the 'what about' thingy.
Point is two wrongs do not make one right. Each ought to take responsibilities or be blamed for their own evil acts.

And why the fuck is Noam Chompsky being quoted? There's something really unsavoury and nasty about him. I don't understand the reverence for him at all.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:42 am ''Anti-semitism is enjoying a revival the likes of which I could never have fathomed.

We just witnessed the worst event in Jewish history since the Holocaust, and the response from left, right and center in less than 24 hours was “well, they deserved it” and “let’s not get emotional or pick a side here” in the same breath as whispers about a Zionist deep state.

This doesn’t bode well for humanity.

That sinking, “oh my God I want to throw up” feeling I’ve had all week isn’t going away. It’s goten worse.''

The root cause is the Jews are too inclusive with arrogance resulting from tribalism, their traditions and religions.
Since the Jews are distancing themselves from others, others are also distancing themselves from the Jews with some sense of detestation.

However, what is unfortunate from the above the detestations is enshrined in the holy texts of a certain religion and thus believers are contractually bound to detest the Jews whether they like it or not, else they may to hell if they befriend the Jews.
This detestation is embedded in the prayers that believers pray five time a day [1:6-7] plus many other verses of like the following;

• [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.