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I assume that our resident wonkers are celebrating the current (very public) torture and murder of Israelis in Israel. It's strange, because it's wonkers who keep telling us that uncontrolled immigration is good, yet when it was Jews emigrating to Israel this was apparently a bad thing, even though Jews are indigenous to Israel ('indigenous' being another word beloved by wonkerdom). Anyone else confused by these (apparent) conflicts?
Could our delightful resident wonkers please explain and make logical sense of these anomalies?

Bibi needs to turn gaza into glass

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:42 pm Bibi needs to turn gaza into glass

-Imp

Are you a resident wonker? Your response is a little too minimalist. I'm afraid you will need to elaborate.

On the other hand...

Right now, armed conflict is unfolding between Israel and Hamas. And many of us as subjects have a personal opinion regarding what to make of it. Opinions I believe are rooted existentially in dasein.

Unless, of course, there is in fact a moral font that mere mortals can turn to in order to grasp the conflict objectively. Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

And the irony of course is that many on both sides are convinced that they are the good guys because they have God on their side.

But it's the same God!

And then the Christians here -- who also worship and adore the same God -- arguing that the only thing that will work is for both the Jews and the Muslims to lay down their arms, accept Jesus Christ as their own personal savior and then, like all the rest of us, await the Second Coming.

Same with immigration policies. There are the liberal wonkers/wokesters and the conservative wonkers/wokesters.

Here in America: https://immigration.procon.org/

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am On the other hand...

Right now, armed conflict is unfolding between Israel and Hamas. And many of us as subjects have a personal opinion regarding what to make of it. Opinions I believe are rooted existentially in dasein.

Unless, of course, there is in fact a moral font that mere mortals can turn to in order to grasp the conflict objectively.

OF COURSE there is, in fact, A 'moral font', or A 'Morality', that 'you', human beings, can turn to in order to grasp 'that conflict' and EVERY thing else 'Objectively'.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

There are NO so-called 'good guys' NOR 'bad guys'.

Absolutely EVERY adult human being do some 'good things' AND some 'bad things'.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am And the irony of course is that many on both sides are convinced that they are the good guys because they have God on their side.

Is there an adult human being who is not convinced that they are the 'good guy'?

If yes, then WHO, EXACTLY?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am But it's the same God!

For those who BELIEVE that there is NO God, or for those who are UNCERTAIN whether there is A God or not, what is the 'it' word here referring TO, EXACTLY?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am And then the Christians here -- who also worship and adore the same God --

Again, what is 'this Thing' here, EXACTLY, which you are labeling and calling, 'the same God'?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am arguing that the only thing that will work is for both the Jews and the Muslims to lay down their arms, accept Jesus Christ as their own personal savior and then, like all the rest of us, await the Second Coming.

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BUT, NOT ALL of 'us' are awaiting the 'Second Coming'. SOME of 'us' have ALREADY experienced 'It' and thus ALREADY KNOW what 'It' WAS, EXACTLY.

Also, and by the way, 'It' WAS NOT what most of 'you', adult human beings, thought NOR were expecting.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:23 am Same with immigration policies. There are the liberal wonkers/wokesters and the conservative wonkers/wokesters.

Here in America: https://immigration.procon.org/

Be gone AI energyvampire. You weren't specifically invited here...

The classic Palestinian wonker: https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=Q7et0JAV01lcFbQl

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:42 am The classic Palestinian wonker: https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=Q7et0JAV01lcFbQl

Do you have an actual opinion or are just just going to talk in riddles and post 'cute videos'?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:42 am The classic Palestinian wonker: https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=Q7et0JAV01lcFbQl

Who knew wonkers could make so much sense!

Wonkers are the hidden psychopaths. The ones who walk amongst us (and aren't in prison). This is why wonkers always come across as so icky and disingenuous. They don't have a genuine or empathetic bone in their bodies. They are the 'functioning psychopaths' who like to make a display of being 'kind and caring' because it's useful-- but simply can't pull it off. It's beyond their field of expertise, hence their obsession with virtue-signalling and any cause they deem to be trendy, safe, and with maximum usefulness to themselves. They have no interest whatsoever in unfashionable causes or anything that involves actual risk to themselves (social media is manna from heaven to them).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:12 am

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:42 pm Bibi needs to turn gaza into glass

-Imp

Are you a resident wonker? Your response is a little too minimalist. I'm afraid you will need to elaborate.

the elaboration, based on what is known of cause and effect

Israel Must Eradicate Hamas And Accept Nothing Less Than Unconditional Surrender
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/07/is ... surrender/

But one thing is immediately clear: Gaza will now be reduced to rubble. Israel, on the 50th anniversary of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, is once again in a fight for its existence, and the gloves will come off.

Just realised what he meant by the 'glass' reference. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't help anyone.

The inevitable response to an illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, against the white settlers who come with false religious claims that the land is theirs.
Urumpph

Arrival of the psychopathic wonkers. What a surprise. Hmm. You against immigration are you? What a fucking racist.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:30 am Just realised what he meant by the 'glass' reference. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't help anyone.

Exploding, glass-creating ordinance would create a risk of literal sea breeze blowback for Israel, blowing the radiation back onto Israel, which would poison life.

It would also create a risk of figurate blowback by making Israel the proving grounds for Iran’s nuclear program, which Israel figures it already is.

This is the figurative nuclear option against terrorists.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/07/is ... surrender/
“For its part, the U.S. should make clear that it will veto any U.N. ceasefire resolution before Israel declares victory. And an actual victory will require Israel seizing control of all Gaza’s territory and then going house to house, seizing every weapon and killing everyone who doesn’t surrender. The Israelis will have to keep this up until the unconditional surrender of Hamas.”