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The God i speak of, the only God i speak of, the Abrahamic God. The God of Moses and Isaac. The God of King David and Solomon. The one true God. The God that sent himself as his son to be crucified by and amongst man. After he died Mary and his brothers laid him down in the tomb with a shroud covering his whole bloody beaten body and the shroud had absorbed this DNA.

Years ago they went and fount this tomb and shroud and identified the DNA and put the essence in a "Re-alivement chamber".
The Shroud itself continued to draw attention as it moved from France, eventually ending up in Turin, Italy, where it has resided for over 400 years.
The Shroud of Turin because it resides in Turin Italy, more commonly known as the shroud of Jesus or Yeshua. It only has 24 chromosomes instead of 23 pairs equaling 46.
This is because Yeshua only had 23 X chromosomes from his mother ( so he looked like all of Mary's decedents into 1 male ) and had 1 Y chromosomes from God for the Holy Spirit part of his life. All of this is factual and has been proven from DNA removal of the shroud and is completely unrealistic in todays time for someone to survive and the fact that there is an obvious fully grown male with DNA still alive after 2000 years and that he isn't deformed in any way proves he is truly the son of God.

According to archeology, human beings have been around for at least a hundred thousand years. There have been countless varied stories and beliefs all along the way. You have subscribed to one particular story from a few thousand years ago. That snapshot in time is a subset of a much larger and longer unfolding, and that snapshot is characterized and created by people of that time and place who sought to establish and propagate certain beliefs for various reasons that were of use to them. Those beliefs and stories still have a following, although that in itself is not that impressive considering there are cultures whose beliefs and stories have been around much, much longer.

Why don't Christians have respect or regard for any of that? Why do they imagine that the only things of significance are from the story they want to associate themselves with? It's rather narcissistic... masquerading as some kind of unique holiness. Unique holiness doesn't make any sense except to small, self-serving minds.

You asked: Why do people on this philosophy website act as if there is no God or evidence of God? Perhaps because the kind of god that humans typically imagine and describe doesn't make sense -- and 'claims' and 'beliefs' and 'stories' are not evidence. There are many possible reasons why people can experience spirituality and seeming 'miracles'. No particular belief system is responsible for that.

What is it going to take to move/think beyond the small, self-serving and fearful notions of primitive man serving gods?

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:21 am Why???

Here's the argument why..

It is Impossible for God to be Real
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Your counter?

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:21 am The God i speak of, the only God i speak of, the Abrahamic God. The God of Moses and Isaac. The God of King David and Solomon. The one true God. The God that sent himself as his son to be crucified by and amongst man. After he died Mary and his brothers laid him down in the tomb with a shroud covering his whole bloody beaten body and the shroud had absorbed this DNA.

Years ago they went and fount this tomb and shroud and identified the DNA and put the essence in a "Re-alivement chamber".
The Shroud itself continued to draw attention as it moved from France, eventually ending up in Turin, Italy, where it has resided for over 400 years.
The Shroud of Turin because it resides in Turin Italy, more commonly known as the shroud of Jesus or Yeshua. It only has 24 chromosomes instead of 23 pairs equaling 46.
This is because Yeshua only had 23 X chromosomes from his mother ( so he looked like all of Mary's decedents into 1 male ) and had 1 Y chromosomes from God for the Holy Spirit part of his life. All of this is factual and has been proven from DNA removal of the shroud and is completely unrealistic in todays time for someone to survive and the fact that there is an obvious fully grown male with DNA still alive after 2000 years and that he isn't deformed in any way proves he is truly the son of God.

I believe in God like I believe in Democracy.

Sometimes it's socially useful to have the belief as normative. Sometimes it's socialy useful to reject it.

In the contexts in which it's useful to bebleive in God - there are better beliefs to hold in lieu.

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:21 am
Years ago they went and fount this tomb and shroud and identified the DNA and put the essence in a "Re-alivement chamber".
The Shroud itself continued to draw attention as it moved from France, eventually ending up in Turin, Italy, where it has resided for over 400 years.
The Shroud of Turin because it resides in Turin Italy, more commonly known as the shroud of Jesus or Yeshua. It only has 24 chromosomes instead of 23 pairs equaling 46.
This is because Yeshua only had 23 X chromosomes from his mother ( so he looked like all of Mary's decedents into 1 male ) and had 1 Y chromosomes from God for the Holy Spirit part of his life. All of this is factual and has been proven from DNA removal of the shroud and is completely unrealistic in todays time for someone to survive and the fact that there is an obvious fully grown male with DNA still alive after 2000 years and that he isn't deformed in any way proves he is truly the son of God.

I can't find anything confirming all the silliness you've said about the shroud. I did find this.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep144 ... aplogroups.

DNA extracted from dust particles that were vacuumed from the Turin Shroud shows sequence profiles that identify numerous plant species and correspond to several distinct human mtDNA haplogroups. These results not only confirm that plant fibers and pollen grains are present on TS, as previously reported by optical microscopy, but also reveal that multiple human individuals touched or otherwise left traces of their DNA on the relic linen.

The stuff you said about Jesus chromosomes looks entirely fabricated. Did you fabricate it or did you get that from somewhere else?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:26 am
I can't find anything confirming all the silliness you've said about the shroud.

Because you dont believe. You dont truly seek the truth of Jesus. At least that is the perception when I read your comment.

The stuff you said about Jesus chromosomes looks entirely fabricated. Did you fabricate it or did you get that from somewhere else?
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https://www.catholicculture.org/comment ... ncarnation.

it states he had A Y chromosome, but like many humans we all have 23 Y so why specify if he had a Y specifically, because the mystery of Jesus lays true to the "Silliness" you claim me to have.

Catholic culture .org. alright.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:25 pm Catholic culture .org. alright.

i am not catholic friend. ask me what i believe and i will tell you.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:12 am
What is it going to take to move/think beyond the small, self-serving and fearful notions of primitive man serving gods?

God is real Lacewing, He is all around you friend. How are you so blind? You would have to be an idiot to look at the world you are offered and consider it something random and "of chance". You have got to be joking surely brother.

I cannot explain the countless times God has been proven.
From the evidence of his chromosomes on the shroud of Turin to the spear of destiny that still hasn't been found but yet been witnessed in countless stories.

not to mention that Christ is the ONLY GOD that has been historically recorded as a "man" who waled this earth. NO OTHER religion has their God being shown walking the face of the earth and claiming something. none of these. Jesus of Nazareth is the only one that has been recorded amongst countless religions to be true and just. Of something that existed.

yet your argument could be well they never clearly specified if he showed god like qualities.
How do you know? because he didn't fly? Because there was no one there to write down that he healed blind people and did many supernatural things? THERE WHERE>>>>in the bible. The bible isn't just a book friend its a library. Its a collection of books. Books that prove the existence of Christ amongst men.

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:06 am You would have to be an idiot to look at the world you are offered and consider it something random and "of chance".

I see connection and order and perfection. You would have to be a fool to think that all of that is only visible to theists. You would also be a fool to think that all of that is ONLY attributable to a god! I grew up in Christianity, recognizing that god and all of the supporting stories are a creation of people.

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:06 am I cannot explain the countless times God has been proven.

It's your trip... and it serves you. You can imagine that it's all there is, but that would be wrong. There are (and have been) countless people with other perspectives who have demonstrated more balance and spiritual nature than you have demonstrated on this forum. Sorry, but it's the truth. It's kind of nuts to see someone wig out as you have, and then listen to them preach about god.

It's like trading in one obsessive extremism for another.

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:57 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:25 pm Catholic culture .org. alright.

i am not catholic friend. ask me what i believe and i will tell you.

It's the site you linked to. That's not a reliable source of that type of information.

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:21 am The God i speak of, the only God i speak of, the Abrahamic God. The God of Moses and Isaac. The God of King David and Solomon. The one true God. The God that sent himself as his son to be crucified by and amongst man. After he died Mary and his brothers laid him down in the tomb with a shroud covering his whole bloody beaten body and the shroud had absorbed this DNA.

Years ago they went and fount this tomb and shroud and identified the DNA and put the essence in a "Re-alivement chamber".
The Shroud itself continued to draw attention as it moved from France, eventually ending up in Turin, Italy, where it has resided for over 400 years.
The Shroud of Turin because it resides in Turin Italy, more commonly known as the shroud of Jesus or Yeshua. It only has 24 chromosomes instead of 23 pairs equaling 46.
This is because Yeshua only had 23 X chromosomes from his mother ( so he looked like all of Mary's decedents into 1 male ) and had 1 Y chromosomes from God for the Holy Spirit part of his life. All of this is factual and has been proven from DNA removal of the shroud and is completely unrealistic in todays time for someone to survive and the fact that there is an obvious fully grown male with DNA still alive after 2000 years and that he isn't deformed in any way proves he is truly the son of God.

They've been lying to you, Toppsy. In 1604 a new translation of the Bible was commissioned, which is known as the King James Version (KJV), and became the Bible version that has been commonly used right up to this day. Before that, the Bible never even mentioned God or Jesus. The Turin Shroud started out as a practical joke, with a table cloth, that got out of hand and went just that bit too far.

Lately I've been interpreting God as 'Violence'... so let's rephrase your premise:

Why do many "philosophers" (especially) users on this website, act as if there is no Violence. Or evidence of Violence?

Since you quoted "philosophers", I presume you mean Hobbiests and Normies. Why do Normies act as-if there is no violence, or evidence of it? Because the human brain is selective and very deceptive, to the point of self-deception. You see ugliness, or insects, or something that disgusts you, and your mind tries to ignore it. If you happen to live on the West Coast USA, you see homeless scumbags sleeping naked on the streets and sidewalks. You try to ignore it.

Because if you look at it (God), then you have to do something about it. You are forced to "deal with it". And that's something that 99.9% of humanity, either will not or cannot do. Instead they leave it to their superiors, the "Authorities", to "deal with it".

Same mental hula-hooping applies to God.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:55 am
Since you quoted "philosophers", I presume you mean Hobbiests and Normies.

I don't think he would have deliberately left you out, so we can assume he included idiots, also.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:26 am

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:06 am You would have to be an idiot to look at the world you are offered and consider it something random and "of chance".

I see connection and order and perfection. You would have to be a fool to think that all of that is only visible to theists. You would also be a fool to think that all of that is ONLY attributable to a god! I grew up in Christianity, recognizing that god and all of the supporting stories are a creation of people.

Of course ALL 'stories' are creations of 'you', people.

Where else would imagine stories come from , and are creations of, EXACTLY?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:26 am

Toppsy Kretts wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:06 am I cannot explain the countless times God has been proven.

It's your trip... and it serves you. You can imagine that it's all there is, but that would be wrong. There are (and have been) countless people with other perspectives who have demonstrated more balance and spiritual nature than you have demonstrated on this forum. Sorry, but it's the truth. It's kind of nuts to see someone wig out as you have, and then listen to them preach about god.

It's like trading in one obsessive extremism for another.