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Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:40 am**

One of the many charges against being "WOKE"
is that being 'WOKE" is somehow, never exactly
explained how but is somehow being or is racist....

ok, let us explore that idea.... first question is this...
how is being 'WOKE" being racist?

I would guess from various answers given over the last year,
being 'WOKE' is racist because it is about being aware
of racism against blacks or minorities.....

this would imply that the 'WOKE" person is personally
racist against white people... that we are racist because
we don't put white people first...
that, I believe is the implication of the charge against
"WOKE" ...

ok, sports fans, quiz.. how many of you have been
personally affected by reverse racism against white people...
I am guessing that the majority of people on this website is
white.. but I could very easily be wrong.. so, factor that into
your answer... if you are against 'WOKISM" and believe
that those who advocate being 'WOKE" are racist,, please
tell us how you have been personally affected by this
reverse racism... anti-white actions or behavior done
against you because you are white....Now I am 64 years
old and I can't tell you how many times I have been favored
over other races and colors because I was white... I have seen
racism against blacks and minorities personally... so,
my own argument would be that being 'WOKE" is
about being aware of the racism that others suffer through
because they are black or a minority...but your mission is
different... show me how you have been discriminated against
because you are white.... or at the very least, explain to us
how being 'WOKE" is racist...

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:15 am**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:40 am One of the many charges against being "WOKE"
is that being 'WOKE" is somehow, never exactly
explained how but is somehow being or is racist....

ok, let us explore that idea.... first question is this...
how is being 'WOKE" being racist?

I would guess from various answers given over the last year,
being 'WOKE' is racist because it is about being aware
of racism against blacks or minorities.....

this would imply that the 'WOKE" person is personally
racist against white people... that we are racist because
we don't put white people first...
that, I believe is the implication of the charge against
"WOKE" ...

ok, sports fans, quiz.. how many of you have been
personally affected by reverse racism against white people...
I am guessing that the majority of people on this website is
white.. but I could very easily be wrong.. so, factor that into
your answer... if you are against 'WOKISM" and believe
that those who advocate being 'WOKE" are racist,, please
tell us how you have been personally affected by this
reverse racism... anti-white actions or behavior done
against you because you are white....Now I am 64 years
old and I can't tell you how many times I have been favored
over other races and colors because I was white... I have seen
racism against blacks and minorities personally... so,
my own argument would be that being 'WOKE" is
about being aware of the racism that others suffer through
because they are black or a minority...but your mission is
different... show me how you have been discriminated against
because you are white.... or at the very least, explain to us
how being 'WOKE" is racist...

Kropotkin

It has been explained to you umpteen times but it's water off a duck's back to you. That's the sheer arrogance of the truly wonky. I see that none of it was necessary anyway. You just answered your own 'question'

It's just the sheer self-righteous disingenuousness and transparent virtue-signalling of wonkies that is their calling card and what turns others off so strongly.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:39 am**

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:15 am
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:40 am One of the many charges against being "WOKE"
is that being 'WOKE" is somehow, never exactly
explained how but is somehow being or is racist....

ok, let us explore that idea.... first question is this...
how is being 'WOKE" being racist?

I would guess from various answers given over the last year,
being 'WOKE' is racist because it is about being aware
of racism against blacks or minorities.....

this would imply that the 'WOKE" person is personally
racist against white people... that we are racist because
we don't put white people first...
that, I believe is the implication of the charge against
"WOKE" ...

ok, sports fans, quiz.. how many of you have been
personally affected by reverse racism against white people...
I am guessing that the majority of people on this website is
white.. but I could very easily be wrong.. so, factor that into
your answer... if you are against 'WOKISM" and believe
that those who advocate being 'WOKE" are racist,, please
tell us how you have been personally affected by this
reverse racism... anti-white actions or behavior done
against you because you are white....Now I am 64 years
old and I can't tell you how many times I have been favored
over other races and colors because I was white... I have seen
racism against blacks and minorities personally... so,
my own argument would be that being 'WOKE" is
about being aware of the racism that others suffer through
because they are black or a minority...but your mission is
different... show me how you have been discriminated against
because you are white.... or at the very least, explain to us
how being 'WOKE" is racist...

Kropotkin
It has been explained to you umpteen times but it's water off a duck's back to you. That's the sheer arrogance of the truly wonky. I see that none of it was necessary anyway. You just answered your own 'question' It's just the sheer self-righteous disingenuousness and transparent virtue-signalling of wonkies that is their calling card and what turns others off so strongly.

K: and it was a two part question, the second part is, have you personally
been discriminated against because you are white, assuming that you are
white... is that part of the allege racism of being ''WOKE?"

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:09 am**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:39 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:15 am
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:40 am One of the many charges against being "WOKE"
is that being 'WOKE" is somehow, never exactly
explained how but is somehow being or is racist....

ok, let us explore that idea.... first question is this...
how is being 'WOKE" being racist?

I would guess from various answers given over the last year,
being 'WOKE' is racist because it is about being aware
of racism against blacks or minorities.....

this would imply that the 'WOKE" person is personally
racist against white people... that we are racist because
we don't put white people first...
that, I believe is the implication of the charge against
"WOKE" ...

ok, sports fans, quiz.. how many of you have been
personally affected by reverse racism against white people...
I am guessing that the majority of people on this website is
white.. but I could very easily be wrong.. so, factor that into
your answer... if you are against 'WOKISM" and believe
that those who advocate being 'WOKE" are racist,, please
tell us how you have been personally affected by this
reverse racism... anti-white actions or behavior done
against you because you are white....Now I am 64 years
old and I can't tell you how many times I have been favored
over other races and colors because I was white... I have seen
racism against blacks and minorities personally... so,
my own argument would be that being 'WOKE" is
about being aware of the racism that others suffer through
because they are black or a minority...but your mission is
different... show me how you have been discriminated against
because you are white.... or at the very least, explain to us
how being 'WOKE" is racist...

Kropotkin
It has been explained to you umpteen times but it's water off a duck's back to you. That's the sheer arrogance of the truly wonky. I see that none of it was necessary anyway. You just answered your own 'question' It's just the sheer self-righteous disingenuousness and transparent virtue-signalling of wonkies that is their calling card and what turns others off so strongly.
K: and it was a two part question, the second part is, have you personally
been discriminated against because you are white, assuming that you are
white... is that part of the allege racism of being ''WOKE?"

Kropotkin

I wouldn't know. I've had unpleasantness and 'stonewalling' from being the 'wrong' ethnicity How would you know what 'colour' I am? That's pretty racist in itself. You are a gormless idiot.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:15 am**

For some reason known only to themselves, wonkers love to stir the embers of division and resentment, particularly where there was previously none. The 'Iago' of modern politics. Shit-stirrers par excellence.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:14 am**

The woke, and those who are forever expressing their strong hostility towards them, can all get stuffed as far as I'm concerned, Peter. Don't let them drag you into their fight, just leave them to beat each other to death.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:05 pm**

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:15 am For some reason known only to themselves, wonkers love to stir the embers of division and resentment, particularly where there was previously none. The 'Iago' of modern politics. Shit-stirrers par excellence.

K: it has been stated quite clearly, that "wonkers" which
I am guessing is being 'WOKE" are racists, and as above said,

"stir the embers of division and resentment"

and yet, no proof of any kind as been offered to this...the statement
that to be "WOKE" is to be racist has been said, but no proof
has been offered...

my statements are philosophical in nature.. attempting to
gain insight into statements, such to 'WOKE is to be racist"

whereas the anti-'WOKE" crowd, simple makes statement
as if they are fact... "WOKERS are racists" a polemical
statement, a statement attempting to force agreement with
a position.. but that position, to be Anti-''WOKE"
is based on lie.. and until we actually understand what
'WOKE" is and how is it defined, but the anti-WOKE"
crowd has no interest in understanding or being philosophical,
they are just being polemical...

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:10 pm**

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:14 am The woke, and those who are forever expressing their strong hostility towards them, can all get stuffed as far as I'm concerned, Peter. Don't let them drag you into their fight, just leave them to beat each other to death.

K: I appreciate your concern...it is rare I hear a positive word
around here.. but as I have stated, I am seeking out
the meaning of being ''WOKE"... as usual, everyone talks about it,
complains about it, but few actually wonder what it means..
or said another way, I am trying to get people to think
philosophical about how they think and how they talk..
I mostly hear statements without any facts to support them..
but that isn't philosophy... that is polemics..

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:00 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:39 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:15 am It has been explained to you umpteen times but it's water off a duck's back to you. That's the sheer arrogance of the truly wonky. I see that none of it was necessary anyway. You just answered your own 'question' It's just the sheer self-righteous disingenuousness and transparent virtue-signalling of wonkies that is their calling card and what turns others off so strongly.
K: and it was a two part question, the second part is, have you personally
been discriminated against because you are white, assuming that you are
white... is that part of the allege racism of being ''WOKE?"

Imagine if the mass media were full of talk of "black supremacy" or "Indigenous guilt." Imagine if Harvard were covertly suppressing the test results of disabled applicants to keep the able-bodied ahead of them, or women were being told that they have to step aside for less-qualified male applicants? Or what if we started talking about the "fat privilege" of people who get to eat more food than the rest of us do? Would you regard those as cases of "racism," "discrimination" and "prejudice"?

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:02 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:10 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:14 am The woke, and those who are forever expressing their strong hostility towards them, can all get stuffed as far as I'm concerned, Peter. Don't let them drag you into their fight, just leave them to beat each other to death.
K: I appreciate your concern...it is rare I hear a positive word
around here.. but as I have stated, I am seeking out
the meaning of being ''WOKE"... as usual, everyone talks about it,
complains about it, but few actually wonder what it means..
or said another way, I am trying to get people to think
philosophical about how they think and how they talk..
I mostly hear statements without any facts to support them..
but that isn't philosophy... that is polemics..

Kropotkin

I haven't given the matter any deep thought, but this is how it seems to me. Those who are being complained about as "woke", seem to take the slightest thing they can present as an issue and go into a rant about it. It makes me wonder if they are more motivated by a need to create an enemy and go into battle than by defending anybody's rights. The problem then is that when anyone raises a legitimate point about inequality or unfair treatment, they are shouted down by the other lot, who yell "wokie" at them. I think this probably tends to make the reasonable among us roll our eyes and walk away. So what I'm saying is that I don't think the woke movement is doing the causes it claims to be fighting for any favours. They may even be playing right into the hands of genuine racists and homophobes.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:13 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:00 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:39 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:15 am It has been explained to you umpteen times but it's water off a duck's back to you. That's the sheer arrogance of the truly wonky. I see that none of it was necessary anyway. You just answered your own 'question' It's just the sheer self-righteous disingenuousness and transparent virtue-signalling of wonkies that is their calling card and what turns others off so strongly.
K: and it was a two part question, the second part is, have you personally
been discriminated against because you are white, assuming that you are
white... is that part of the allege racism of being ''WOKE?"
Imagine if the mass media were full of talk of "black supremacy" or "Indigenous guilt." Imagine if Harvard were covertly suppressing the test results of disabled applicants to keep the able-bodied ahead of them, or women were being told that they have to step aside for less-qualified male applicants? Or what if we started talking about the "fat privilege" of people who get to eat more food than the rest of us do? Would you regard those as cases of "racism," "discrimination" and "prejudice"?

K: I see an awful lot of what ifs, and what abouts...is there a real
question in the midst of this ''what aboutism?"

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:14 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:00 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:39 am

K: and it was a two part question, the second part is, have you personally
been discriminated against because you are white, assuming that you are
white... is that part of the allege racism of being ''WOKE?"
Imagine if the mass media were full of talk of "black supremacy" or "Indigenous guilt." Imagine if Harvard were covertly suppressing the test results of disabled applicants to keep the able-bodied ahead of them, or women were being told that they have to step aside for less-qualified male applicants? Or what if we started talking about the "fat privilege" of people who get to eat more food than the rest of us do? Would you regard those as cases of "racism," "discrimination" and "prejudice"?
K: I see an awful lot of what ifs, and what abouts...is there a real
question in the midst of this ''what aboutism?"

Are you having trouble seeing what it is? I'll give you a minute or two.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:21 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:14 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:00 pm
Imagine if the mass media were full of talk of "black supremacy" or "Indigenous guilt." Imagine if Harvard were covertly suppressing the test results of disabled applicants to keep the able-bodied ahead of them, or women were being told that they have to step aside for less-qualified male applicants? Or what if we started talking about the "fat privilege" of people who get to eat more food than the rest of us do? Would you regard those as cases of "racism," "discrimination" and "prejudice"?
K: I see an awful lot of what ifs, and what abouts...is there a real
question in the midst of this ''what aboutism?"
Are you having trouble seeing what it is? I'll give you a minute or two.

K: no, what I see is a whole lot of "what if" or "what about" something,
three separate times, you ask, "what if" or "imagine if"...
that is not the universe we live in... I don't live in a "what if"
universe.....

Kropotkin

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:26 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:14 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:13 pm

K: I see an awful lot of what ifs, and what abouts...is there a real
question in the midst of this ''what aboutism?"
Are you having trouble seeing what it is? I'll give you a minute or two.
K: no, what I see is a whole lot of "what if" or "what about" something,
three separate times, you ask, "what if" or "imagine if"...
that is not the universe we live in... I don't live in a "what if"
universe.....

So you're wanting me to think that you're not bright enough to deduce from a hypothetical case? Or you're just being disingenuous?

Either way, I'll leave the point just where it is, until you can figure it out.

Posted: **Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:33 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:26 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:14 pm
Are you having trouble seeing what it is? I'll give you a minute or two.
K: no, what I see is a whole lot of "what if" or "what about" something,
three separate times, you ask, "what if" or "imagine if"...
that is not the universe we live in... I don't live in a "what if"
universe.....
So you're wanting me to think that you're not bright enough to deduce from a hypothetical case? Or you're just being disingenuous?

Either way, I'll leave the point just where it is, until you can figure it out.

K: there is no point to a ''what if" question... a hypothetical question,
is not a question at all.. it is "what if" well "what if" Abe Lincoln
was black? "what if" the world was square? "what if" we had no
women? stupid ass questions that don't have any basis in reality..
why would I deal with a pretend question like "what if"

Kropotkin

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