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http://bc.upjp2.edu.pl/Content/5621/35_ ... odnym3.pdf

I was wondering if this is the case after looking at the paper above. It seems to just say that if someone is a solipsist then you can’t argue them out of it because their view is consistent and not illogical but I’m not entirely sure. I think that later on he does prove it true and that’s what bugs me.

Everywhere I have asked I get the same answer that it’s impossible because you can’t get outside your perception of the world so you’re unable to confirm it right or wrong. But I’m wondering if there is some secret reasoning that someone could do.

I would rather it be truly impossible so I can leave it behind because it’s had a massively negative impact on my life and relationships with others.

I think if you kidnapped them, starved them while dressed in a leather in a sado-masochist dungeon, and then cut off a few of their fingers.... it would finally sink in that there is another force operating independently of them.

Constantine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:24 pm I think if you kidnapped them, starved them while dressed in a leather in a sado-masochist dungeon, and then cut off a few of their fingers.... it would finally sink in that there is another force operating independently of them.

That is a pretty compelling argument.

Darkneos wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:43 am Can you prove solipsism true?

Can you?

It’s unfalsifiable. There is no way to test it, no way to prove or disprove it.

However based on the evidence it doesn’t seem like it’s likely true. Though if someone seriously believed it I wouldn’t be able to argue them out of it, because there really isn’t a way to know for sure.

It really just boils down to what you believe, that’s it.

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 pm It’s unfalsifiable. There is no way to test it, no way to prove or disprove it.

Then stop asking stupid questions then.

And bye the way, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self. That sense of separation does not exist, you even said so yourself, there is no such separation between the mind and body. Or the awareness of the thing being awared.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:14 pm

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 pm It’s unfalsifiable. There is no way to test it, no way to prove or disprove it.

Then stop asking stupid questions then.

And bye the way, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self. That sense of separation does not exist, you even said so yourself, there is no such separation between the mind and body. Or the awareness of the thing being awared.

Wrong.

Also I know you’re triggered from the last thread but that’s no excuse to be rude.

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:14 pm

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:52 pm It’s unfalsifiable. There is no way to test it, no way to prove or disprove it.

Then stop asking stupid questions then.

And bye the way, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self. That sense of separation does not exist, you even said so yourself, there is no such separation between the mind and body. Or the awareness of the thing being awared.

Wrong again but I’m already tired of saying it at this point.

It's always wrong when you want it right. No problem, just make it right in your own way then and stop bothering me with stupid questions, simple isn't it.

Tired again I see, you really ought to go and give yourself a break and perhaps I may suggest a lie down for awhile.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:40 pm

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:14 pm

Then stop asking stupid questions then.

And bye the way, questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self. That sense of separation does not exist, you even said so yourself, there is no such separation between the mind and body. Or the awareness of the thing being awared.

Wrong again but I’m already tired of saying it at this point.

It's always wrong when you want it right. No problem, just make it right in your own way then and stop bothering me with stupid questions, simple isn't it.

Tired again I see, you really ought to go and give yourself a break and perhaps I may suggest a lie down for awhile.

Bothering? You came here dude, no one asked you to.

Man this really bothers you doesn’t it?

why would a solipsist want to prove anything to anyone else?

-Imp

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:41 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:40 pm

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:20 pm

Wrong again but I’m already tired of saying it at this point.

It's always wrong when you want it right. No problem, just make it right in your own way then and stop bothering me with stupid questions, simple isn't it.

Tired again I see, you really ought to go and give yourself a break and perhaps I may suggest a lie down for awhile.

Bothering? You came here dude, no one asked you to.

Man this really bothers you doesn’t it?

I came here to answer the question.

I answered 'can you'?

Then you got tired by that answer, saying I'm WRONG.

So all I did was suggest you take a lie down to deal with your tiredness of me being wrong, but it seems you were bothered by the suggestion, but then seemed to think it was me who was bothered for some unknown reason.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:47 pm why would a solipsist want to prove anything to anyone else?

-Imp

Exactly, thank you Imp.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:47 pm why would a solipsist want to prove anything to anyone else?

-Imp

It’s complicated, I’m not a solipsist but it kinda bothers me that I can’t disprove it. You can only believe it so or not.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:52 pm

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:41 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:40 pm

It's always wrong when you want it right. No problem, just make it right in your own way then and stop bothering me with stupid questions, simple isn't it.

Tired again I see, you really ought to go and give yourself a break and perhaps I may suggest a lie down for awhile.

Bothering? You came here dude, no one asked you to.

Man this really bothers you doesn’t it?

I came here to answer the question.

I answered 'can you'?

Then you got tired by that answer, saying I'm WRONG.

So all I did was suggest you take a lie down to deal with your tiredness of me being wrong, but it seems you were bothered by the suggestion, but then seemed to think it was me who was bothered for some unknown reason.

Yeah you’re definitely triggered

Darkneos wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:54 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:47 pm why would a solipsist want to prove anything to anyone else?

-Imp

It’s complicated, I’m not a solipsist but it kinda bothers me that I can’t disprove it. You can only believe it so or not.

Then all you have to do is stop believing what you think there is to believe and there will your answer be in relation to the question.