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Is God something more than a product of the human mind?

If so, then what is "God"?

If not, then is it really "God"?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pm Is God something more than a product of the human mind?

There is NO human mind. However, God IS some 'thing' MORE than just a product of human thought.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pm If so, then what is "God"?

'God' can be SEEN, in the visible sense, as ALL physicality or as ALL 'things' together, as the One Everything. That is; the Universe, Itself. Which is OBVIOUSLY thee Creator of EVERY 'thing'.

By the way, the words, 'In the beginning', just MEAN and REFER TO, the HERE, NOW.

AND,

'God' can be UNDERSTOOD, in the invisible sense, as the Mind, Itself. Of which there is ONLY One. Or, for those who want to PERSIST in the idea of 'human minds', then 'God', in the invisible sense, IS the collective of ALL views and perspectives together, as One.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pm If not, then is it really "God"?

Now that 'God' has been partially EXPLAINED to you, what say you?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:53 am Now that 'God' has been partially EXPLAINED to you, what say you?

How did you come to the conclusion that God:

'God' can be SEEN, in the visible sense, as ALL physicality or as ALL 'things' together, as the One Everything. That is; the Universe, Itself. Which is OBVIOUSLY thee Creator of EVERY 'thing'.

By the way, the words, 'In the beginning', just MEAN and REFER TO, the HERE, NOW.

AND,

'God' can be UNDERSTOOD, in the invisible sense, as the Mind, Itself. Of which there is ONLY One. Or, for those who want to PERSIST in the idea of 'human minds', then 'God', in the invisible sense, IS the collective of ALL views and perspectives together, as One.

Is the universe "itself" the creator of everything or was the universe created by God (or whatever 'first cause' we think it needs to have had)?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:53 am Now that 'God' has been partially EXPLAINED to you, what say you?

How did you come to the conclusion that God:

'God' can be SEEN, in the visible sense, as ALL physicality or as ALL 'things' together, as the One Everything. That is; the Universe, Itself. Which is OBVIOUSLY thee Creator of EVERY 'thing'.

By the way, the words, 'In the beginning', just MEAN and REFER TO, the HERE, NOW.

AND,

'God' can be UNDERSTOOD, in the invisible sense, as the Mind, Itself. Of which there is ONLY One. Or, for those who want to PERSIST in the idea of 'human minds', then 'God', in the invisible sense, IS the collective of ALL views and perspectives together, as One.

From being Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER. That is HOW I came to REALIZE, and UNDERSTAND, what the 'God' word has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am Is the universe "itself" the creator of everything or was the universe created by God (or whatever 'first cause' we think it needs to have had)?

Firstly, the Universe, Itself, that is; 'the physical Universe', It-Self, IS 'God'.

Secondly, the Universe IS infinite, AND ETERNAL. It was NOT created, in the sense of once upon a time. The Universe IS in an eternal process of CREATION. This MEANS that the Universe IS the Creator of Its 'Self' ALWAYS and FOREVER, in the HERE and NOW. Which is what the words 'In the beginning' have ALWAYS MEANT and REFERRED TO, EXACTLY.

Thirdly, because absolutely EVERY 'thing' IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE, NOW, what IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE-NOW IS 'the first cause', (and thus Creator), of EVERY 'thing' "after".

Fourthly, you REALLY NEED to COMPREHEND what I wrote ABOVE here TO RID "yourself" of wondering what you just did here. For example I just EXPLAINED ABOVE that 'God', in the visible sense, IS the Universe, Itself, and the very next question you ASK is: 'was the universe created by God?'

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:35 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:53 am Now that 'God' has been partially EXPLAINED to you, what say you?

How did you come to the conclusion that God:

'God' can be SEEN, in the visible sense, as ALL physicality or as ALL 'things' together, as the One Everything. That is; the Universe, Itself. Which is OBVIOUSLY thee Creator of EVERY 'thing'.

By the way, the words, 'In the beginning', just MEAN and REFER TO, the HERE, NOW.

AND,

'God' can be UNDERSTOOD, in the invisible sense, as the Mind, Itself. Of which there is ONLY One. Or, for those who want to PERSIST in the idea of 'human minds', then 'God', in the invisible sense, IS the collective of ALL views and perspectives together, as One.

From being Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER. That is HOW I came to REALIZE, and UNDERSTAND, what the 'God' word has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am Is the universe "itself" the creator of everything or was the universe created by God (or whatever 'first cause' we think it needs to have had)?

Firstly, the Universe, Itself, that is; 'the physical Universe', It-Self, IS 'God'.

Secondly, the Universe IS infinite, AND ETERNAL. It was NOT created, in the sense of once upon a time. The Universe IS in an eternal process of CREATION. This MEANS that the Universe IS the Creator of Its 'Self' ALWAYS and FOREVER, in the HERE and NOW. Which is what the words 'In the beginning' have ALWAYS MEANT and REFERRED TO, EXACTLY.

Thirdly, because absolutely EVERY 'thing' IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE, NOW, what IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE-NOW IS 'the first cause', (and thus Creator), of EVERY 'thing' "after".

Fourthly, you REALLY NEED to COMPREHEND what I wrote ABOVE here TO RID "yourself" of wondering what you just did here. For example I just EXPLAINED ABOVE that 'God', in the visible sense, IS the Universe, Itself, and the very next question you ASK is: 'was the universe created by God?'

You didn't want to better yourself, on the contrary, you wanted to pose like you're better than everyone else. That's why you invented this nonsense One mind God. We already considered this possibility when we were children, looks like you're stuck at an intellectual age of like 6.

Note
It is Impossible for God to Exists as Real
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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pmIs God something more than a product of the human mind?

If so, then what is "God"?

If not, then is it really "God"?

Define Reality

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:20 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pmIs God something more than a product of the human mind?

If so, then what is "God"?

If not, then is it really "God"?

Define Reality

I'm using the term 'real' as the opposite of 'imagined'. For example, I take it that a horse is (or can be 'real') but a unicorn is not 'real'. The next question is, 'can' a unicorn be real? I don't know the answer to that but if we say the same of 'God' (can be real) then what does that mean? Does that mean God was not real but now is real? Does it mean that God is sometimes 'real' and sometimes not 'real'?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:35 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am

How did you come to the conclusion that God:

From being Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER. That is HOW I came to REALIZE, and UNDERSTAND, what the 'God' word has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am Is the universe "itself" the creator of everything or was the universe created by God (or whatever 'first cause' we think it needs to have had)?

Firstly, the Universe, Itself, that is; 'the physical Universe', It-Self, IS 'God'.

Secondly, the Universe IS infinite, AND ETERNAL. It was NOT created, in the sense of once upon a time. The Universe IS in an eternal process of CREATION. This MEANS that the Universe IS the Creator of Its 'Self' ALWAYS and FOREVER, in the HERE and NOW. Which is what the words 'In the beginning' have ALWAYS MEANT and REFERRED TO, EXACTLY.

Thirdly, because absolutely EVERY 'thing' IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE, NOW, what IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE-NOW IS 'the first cause', (and thus Creator), of EVERY 'thing' "after".

Fourthly, you REALLY NEED to COMPREHEND what I wrote ABOVE here TO RID "yourself" of wondering what you just did here. For example I just EXPLAINED ABOVE that 'God', in the visible sense, IS the Universe, Itself, and the very next question you ASK is: 'was the universe created by God?'

You didn't want to better yourself, on the contrary, you wanted to pose like you're better than everyone else. That's why you invented this nonsense One mind God. We already considered this possibility when we were children, looks like you're stuck at an intellectual age of like 6.

I don't see him as wanting to pose as "better" than everyone else so much as I see his words as a manifestation of a feeling of unconnectedness to others. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I sort of see it. Call my 'assumption' a "vibe" or a way of "understanding" his behavior or even a "misunderstanding" of his behavior, but that's the notion I get.

Let's suppose God 'is' and/or 'can' be real. Does that mean anything special to us in so far as there being an 'afterlife'? Does that mean something special to us in terms of there being a 'heaven' and a 'hell'? And if so what and where are 'heaven' and 'hell'? What happens to those who appear to cease living and get buried (usually in the ground or else cremated) upon that happening? Do they continue or do they not continue? Or to put it a more intimate way, what will happen to me when I stop 'living'? And if I stop 'living' will the same thing happen to me that happens to every other person in this world?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:35 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am

How did you come to the conclusion that God:

From being Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER. That is HOW I came to REALIZE, and UNDERSTAND, what the 'God' word has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:14 am Is the universe "itself" the creator of everything or was the universe created by God (or whatever 'first cause' we think it needs to have had)?

Firstly, the Universe, Itself, that is; 'the physical Universe', It-Self, IS 'God'.

Secondly, the Universe IS infinite, AND ETERNAL. It was NOT created, in the sense of once upon a time. The Universe IS in an eternal process of CREATION. This MEANS that the Universe IS the Creator of Its 'Self' ALWAYS and FOREVER, in the HERE and NOW. Which is what the words 'In the beginning' have ALWAYS MEANT and REFERRED TO, EXACTLY.

Thirdly, because absolutely EVERY 'thing' IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE, NOW, what IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE-NOW IS 'the first cause', (and thus Creator), of EVERY 'thing' "after".

Fourthly, you REALLY NEED to COMPREHEND what I wrote ABOVE here TO RID "yourself" of wondering what you just did here. For example I just EXPLAINED ABOVE that 'God', in the visible sense, IS the Universe, Itself, and the very next question you ASK is: 'was the universe created by God?'

You didn't want to better yourself, on the contrary, you wanted to pose like you're better than everyone else.

Are you REALLY some kind of ABSOLUTE IMBECILE?

LOL 'you didn't want to better yourself'? Are you JOKING here "atla"? Do you REALLY BELIEVE that you have KNOWN 'me' ALL of MY LIFE? Or do you just LOOK AT and CONSIDER 'me' FROM ONLY the VERY SHORT time that 'you' have KNOWN 'me'?

Are you REALLY that CLOSED that you ONLY LOOK AT and JUDGE "others" ONLY FROM the 'time' you are aware of them?

AND, as for YOUR CLAIM, 'you wanted to pose like you're better than everyone else', PROVES, IRREFUTABLY, just how LITTLE you REALLY KNOW.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 am That's why you invented this nonsense One mind God.

Here we have A PRIME example, and absolute PROOF, of when one who BELIEVES some 'thing' ends up completely and utterly absolutely CLOSED, in relation to 'that thing'.

Now, you have made a HUGE CLAIM, which, OF COURSE, you have NEVER even 'TRIED TO' back up and support, however because 'you' are Truly WEAK and SCARED individual here "atla" you have also NEVER even 'TRIED TO' QUESTION and CHALLENGE me over 'this' here. And this is BECAUSE you just BELIEVE 'it' IS NONSENSE, and SO to that VERY CLOSED VIEW you are ALSO completely and utterly absolutely DEAF and BLIND here.

'you', "atla", are just like those who just BELIEVED that the sun revolves around the earth so that when absolutely ANY one would say absolutely ANY 'thing' ABOUT the earth revolving around the sun you would just CLOSE your EYES and EARS and just DECLARE, 'It is invented NONSENSE'.

And, we ALL KNOW how that turned out. Which WILL BE, and WAS, turned out to be the EXACT SAME OUTCOME here. 'your' VIEWS and BELIEFS here "atla" TURNED OUT to be ABSOLUTELY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect.

So, PLEASE continue on WITH your Truly ABSOLUTELY CLOSED VIEW and BELIEF here, and NEVER even 'TRY TO' CHALLENGE or QUESTION me.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 am We already considered this possibility when we were children, looks like you're stuck at an intellectual age of like 6.

LOL
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'you', and "WHO ELSE", considered WHAT 'possibility', WHEN 'you' AND 'them' WERE CHILDREN?

'you' are speaking like a TRUE IMBECILE here. 'we already considered this possibility' BUT NEVER EVEN SAY what 'this' IS, EXACTLY?

Is this because you do NOT YET EVEN KNOW "yourself"?

Or, because DEEP DOWN you KNOW that what you were DREAMING/CONSIDERING ACTUALLY has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH what I ACTUALLY HAVE to SAY and TELL?

Which, by the way, you OBVIOUSLY, are NOT YET even AWARE OF, although you OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE OTHERWISE.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:48 am Note
It is Impossible for God to Exists as Real
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NOTE, you do NOT YET even KNOW what God IS, EXACTLY.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:20 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:22 pmIs God something more than a product of the human mind?

If so, then what is "God"?

If not, then is it really "God"?

Define Reality

I'm using the term 'real' as the opposite of 'imagined'. For example, I take it that a horse is (or can be 'real') but a unicorn is not 'real'. The next question is, 'can' a unicorn be real?

NOT If 'it' is defines AS a 'non real thing'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am I don't know the answer to that but if we say the same of 'God' (can be real) then what does that mean?

ONLY 'those' who SAY 'that' can KNOW, FOR SURE, what 'they' and 'that' MEAN.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Does that mean God was not real but now is real?

AGAIN, that ALL, and ONLY, depends on 'those' who SAY 'that'.

Also, when one just defines the what word 'God' IS, EXACTLY, then if 'It' is real or not becomes, relatively INSTANTANEOUSLY, KNOWN.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Does it mean that God is sometimes 'real' and sometimes not 'real'?

Are you 'trying to' suggest that the Universe, Itself, and the Mind, Itself are only sometimes 'real' and sometimes 'not real'?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 amI'm using the term 'real' as the opposite of 'imagined'. For example, I take it that a horse is (or can be 'real') but a unicorn is not 'real'. The next question is, 'can' a unicorn be real? I don't know the answer to that but if we say the same of 'God' (can be real) then what does that mean? Does that mean God was not real but now is real? Does it mean that God is sometimes 'real' and sometimes not 'real'?

So Reality is dependent upon extreme Imagination, which is Not-Real. Furthermore, the mind imagines "impossible things" and fictional entities, which cannot be rendered into Reality. One of these is God.

Do you agree with this recharacterization?

My problem with your argument is that, all Imagined-things are 'taken' from Reality first. A Minotaur is half-man, half-bull. Both of these things, man and bull, are conceptualized, and then 'combined' by the imagination, into something Not-Real.

So what are the things added together, to "make God"? What parts of Reality is God based upon, to you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:14 am

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:35 am

From being Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER. That is HOW I came to REALIZE, and UNDERSTAND, what the 'God' word has been REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.


Firstly, the Universe, Itself, that is; 'the physical Universe', It-Self, IS 'God'.

Secondly, the Universe IS infinite, AND ETERNAL. It was NOT created, in the sense of once upon a time. The Universe IS in an eternal process of CREATION. This MEANS that the Universe IS the Creator of Its 'Self' ALWAYS and FOREVER, in the HERE and NOW. Which is what the words 'In the beginning' have ALWAYS MEANT and REFERRED TO, EXACTLY.

Thirdly, because absolutely EVERY 'thing' IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE, NOW, what IS HAPPENING and OCCURRING HERE-NOW IS 'the first cause', (and thus Creator), of EVERY 'thing' "after".

Fourthly, you REALLY NEED to COMPREHEND what I wrote ABOVE here TO RID "yourself" of wondering what you just did here. For example I just EXPLAINED ABOVE that 'God', in the visible sense, IS the Universe, Itself, and the very next question you ASK is: 'was the universe created by God?'

You didn't want to better yourself, on the contrary, you wanted to pose like you're better than everyone else. That's why you invented this nonsense One mind God. We already considered this possibility when we were children, looks like you're stuck at an intellectual age of like 6.

I don't see him as wanting to pose as "better" than everyone else so much as I see his words as a manifestation of a feeling of unconnectedness to others.

What would have led you to this conclusion here?

Could it have been the fact that I have, on numerous occassions, CLEARLY EXPRESSED and SAID that 'I am here, in this forum, to learn how to communicate better with 'you', human beings'?

Or was it some 'thing' ELSE?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I sort of see it. Call my 'assumption' a "vibe" or a way of "understanding" his behavior or even a "misunderstanding" of his behavior, but that's the notion I get.

Compared to "atla's" ASSUMPTION yours here IS 100% MORE Right, and Correct.

"atla" could NOT have been ANY FURTHER FROM the Truth.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Let's suppose God 'is' and/or 'can' be real. Does that mean anything special to us in so far as there being an 'afterlife'?

Just like 'you', people, WERE MISINTERPRETING the words, 'In the beginning', so to do 'you' MISINTERPRET the word 'afterlife'.

AGAIN, ONCE 'you' STOP being GREEDY and SELFISH, then 'you' WILL START SEEING 'things' MORE CLEARLY and FOR and FROM what they ACTUALLY REALLY ARE.

The 'afterlife' MEANS and REFERS TO what happens in this One and ONLY 'Life'. There is OBVIOUSLY NO OTHER PLACE.

AND, 'after' 'this' current 'way of life', that is; in the days when this is being written, ends, or dies off, then the NEW 'life' WILL BEGIN. Now, what 'this 'current' way of life' IS, EXACTLY, (in the days when this is being written), is the adult human being created GREEDY, SELFISH WAR-TORN, POLLUTED-RIDDLED and STRESSFUL WAY of 'life'. So, WHEN 'this way and life' ENDS, then 'after' 'this life' BEGINS the LOVING, PEACEFUL, STRESS-LESS and POLLUTION-RIDDLED WAY of 'life', and living.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am
Does that mean something special to us in terms of there being a 'heaven' and a 'hell'?

As there is ONLY One 'Life, One Universe, AND One Existence 'heaven' AND 'heaven' just MEAN and REFER TO the 'way of life' adult human beings are CREATING here, on earth.

Obviously MOST of the 'current' 'way of life and living', in the days when this is being written, is a 'hell-like' existence. And, AFTER 'this way of life' ENDS, then IN the 'after life' 'Heaven' BEGINS. That is; OF COURSE

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am And if so what and where are 'heaven' and 'hell'?

'They' are IN the adult human being created 'way of life', and living.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am What happens to those who appear to cease living and get buried (usually in the ground or else cremated) upon that happening?

The physical body returns back to, dust to dust. Or, if burned, is returned, back, ashes to ashes. Just like EVERY physical 'thing' in the Universe, that is; 'THIS Life'. 'They' do NOT go ANYWHERE ELSE. ALL physical 'things', or just 'physicality', REMAIN HERE, in this One Existence and One Universe, just CHANGING in SHAPE and in FORM.

The 'invisible thoughts' ALSO REMAIN IN this One and ONLY Existence, Life, AND Universe, but just IN and THROUGH OTHER 'physical human bodies', AND, IN and THROUGH the physical CREATIONS made FROM 'those thoughts'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Do they continue or do they not continue?

The 'invisible thoughts' WITHIN a human body, is the 'person', or the 'soul' if you like, and 'that soul' does continue, in 'this world/this Universe', IN "others".

OF COURSE there are NO 'new thoughts' arising in that physical body, which is NOT breathing ANYMORE, so 'that person' is NOT CHANGING, and BECOMING ANEW, ANYMORE, but what 'those previous thoughts' CREATED and/or INFLUENCED STILL 'lives on' in this One and ONLY Life, and Existence.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am Or to put it a more intimate way, what will happen to me when I stop 'living'?

'me' REMAINS in OTHER human bodies, as 'you' DO HAVE AN INFLUENCE IN 'this Life'.

SOME just 'live ON', for longer, for example like "jesus christ", but ALL have some sort of INFLUENCE ON and OVER "others", and so 'LIVE ON' in some way, AGAIN, in this One and ONLY Life.

But what can be CLEARLY SEEN in YOUR QUESTION here, is the CONTINUE 'thought' or 'worrying' ABOUT 'me', which WAS just how Truly SELFISH and GREEDY people HAD BECOME, back in the days when this was being written.

Adults had BECOME so CONCERNED ABOUT the 'me', that they even WORRIED ABOUT what happens TO 'me', AFTER the (breathing) LIFE of the body STOPS.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:02 am And if I stop 'living' will the same thing happen to me that happens to every other person in this world?

YES, the EXACT SAME 'thing' HAPPENS.

The body CHANGES IN SHAPE, and IN FORM. EXACTLY like ALL physical bodies DO, from the smallest sub-atomic particle bodies to the largest bodies.

AND, just like EVERY "other" person, which are just the 'invisible thoughts and emotions' WITH a physical human body 'they' ALL REMAIN HERE, living on, in one way or another.