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Yes, and only by association would this absolute unity of nothingness occur to make the apparent comparative distinction that is this no thing, thinging.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.
There is only an absence of distinctions in the absence of consciousness, and indeed in the absence of consciousness there is nothing; on a subjective level, but we do not know if there is a material world in the absence of that subjective consciousness that is life. How one experiences does not necessarily mean that that is reality, it may be just how we experience the unknown in the form of the energies that surround us. If there is nothing outside the totality then there is no distinction to be made outside, but a consciousness within that totality would find distinctions, as you know yourself as part of something larger than yourself.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects, absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.
If distinctions and consciousness are inseparable then conscious by default is a contradiction as distinctions require a 'standing apart' through the act of contrast. If consciousness is contradictory then anything goes and under these terms unity and nothingness can be the same.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:22 pmThere is only an absence of distinctions in the absence of consciousness, and indeed in the absence of consciousness there is nothing; on a subjective level, but we do not know if there is a material world in the absence of that subjective consciousness that is life. How one experiences does not necessarily mean that that is reality, it may be just how we experience the unknown in the form of the energies that surround us. If there is nothing outside the totality then there is no distinction to be made outside, but a consciousness within that totality would find distinctions, as you know yourself as part of something larger than yourself.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects, absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.
Apparent reality, in and of itself, you might say is indistinct, for what is experienced is not the source but the effect of sources on the organism. All of this as subjective consciousness is self-contained as the organism. The organism is the sole experiencer of said apparent reality, that is indeed a unity that has no distinction taken as the whole experience of apparent reality. It is a self-simulation, a biological readout, making apparent reality biological reactions. In the absence of consciousness there is no unity nor distinctions, there is nothingness, and nothingness is not something that can be known in the absence of consciousness, for nothingness would simply mean lack of a source of stimulation, thus lack of all experience.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:35 pmIf distinctions and consciousness are inseparable then consciousness by default is a contradiction as distinctions require a 'standing apart' through the act of contrast. If consciousness is contradictory then anything goes and under these terms unity and nothingness can be the same.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:22 pmThere is only an absence of distinctions in the absence of consciousness, and indeed in the absence of consciousness there is nothing; on a subjective level, but we do not know if there is a material world in the absence of that subjective consciousness that is life. How one experiences does not necessarily mean that that is reality, it may be just how we experience the unknown in the form of the energies that surround us. If there is nothing outside the totality then there is no distinction to be made outside, but a consciousness within that totality would find distinctions, as you know yourself as part of something larger than yourself.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects, absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.
If consciousness is distinction, and all we are aware of is distinction, then everything we are aware of is united by the act of distinction and distinction becomes self-referential and meaningless (as we are only aware of distinction and this distinction has no comparison that allows for individuality through the act of 'standing apart') thus the act of distinction becomes paradoxically indistinct...this results in the no-thingness of distinction.
Finally, if something is unified in our perception then there is an absence of distinction between said things that are unified. This absence of distinction is nothingness, as nothingness has no distinction or nothingness would be a thing, thus the Buddhist paradox of the "unity of emptiness".
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:07 amApparent reality, in and of itself, you might say is indistinct, for what is experienced is not the source but the effect of sources on the organism. All of this as subjective consciousness is self-contained as the organism. The organism is the sole experiencer of said apparent reality, that is indeed a unity that has no distinction taken as the whole experience of apparent reality. It is a self-simulation, a biological readout, making apparent reality biological reactions. In the absence of consciousness there is no unity nor distinctions, there is nothingness, and nothingness is not something that can be known in the absence of consciousness, for nothingness would simply mean lack of a source of stimulation, thus lack of all experience. We are then back to subject and object, take one away and the other ceases to be.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:35 pmIf distinctions and consciousness are inseparable then consciousness by default is a contradiction as distinctions require a 'standing apart' through the act of contrast. If consciousness is contradictory then anything goes and under these terms unity and nothingness can be the same.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:22 pm
There is only an absence of distinctions in the absence of consciousness, and indeed in the absence of consciousness there is nothing; on a subjective level, but we do not know if there is a material world in the absence of that subjective consciousness that is life. How one experiences does not necessarily mean that that is reality, it may be just how we experience the unknown in the form of the energies that surround us. If there is nothing outside the totality then there is no distinction to be made outside, but a consciousness within that totality would find distinctions, as you know yourself as part of something larger than yourself.
If consciousness is distinction, and all we are aware of is distinction, then everything we are aware of is united by the act of distinction and distinction becomes self-referential and meaningless (as we are only aware of distinction and this distinction has no comparison that allows for individuality through the act of 'standing apart') thus the act of distinction becomes paradoxically indistinct...this results in the no-thingness of distinction.
Finally, if something is unified in our perception then there is an absence of distinction between said things that are unified. This absence of distinction is nothingness, as nothingness has no distinction or nothingness would be a thing, thus the Buddhist paradox of the "unity of emptiness".
If all consciousness occurs only through organisms, and organisms see themselves as distinct from non organisms, then all consciousness is a construct as the distinction between organism and non organism is made up. If it is a construct then it is not natural thus consciousness is an illusion to itself and becomes self defeating.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:07 amApparent reality, in and of itself, you might say is indistinct, for what is experienced is not the source but the effect of sources on the organism. All of this as subjective consciousness is self-contained as the organism. The organism is the sole experiencer of said apparent reality, that is indeed a unity that has no distinction taken as the whole experience of apparent reality. It is a self-simulation, a biological readout, making apparent reality biological reactions. In the absence of consciousness there is no unity nor distinctions, there is nothingness, and nothingness is not something that can be known in the absence of consciousness, for nothingness would simply mean lack of a source of stimulation, thus lack of all experience.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:35 pmIf distinctions and consciousness are inseparable then consciousness by default is a contradiction as distinctions require a 'standing apart' through the act of contrast. If consciousness is contradictory then anything goes and under these terms unity and nothingness can be the same.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:22 pm
There is only an absence of distinctions in the absence of consciousness, and indeed in the absence of consciousness there is nothing; on a subjective level, but we do not know if there is a material world in the absence of that subjective consciousness that is life. How one experiences does not necessarily mean that that is reality, it may be just how we experience the unknown in the form of the energies that surround us. If there is nothing outside the totality then there is no distinction to be made outside, but a consciousness within that totality would find distinctions, as you know yourself as part of something larger than yourself.
If consciousness is distinction, and all we are aware of is distinction, then everything we are aware of is united by the act of distinction and distinction becomes self-referential and meaningless (as we are only aware of distinction and this distinction has no comparison that allows for individuality through the act of 'standing apart') thus the act of distinction becomes paradoxically indistinct...this results in the no-thingness of distinction.
Finally, if something is unified in our perception then there is an absence of distinction between said things that are unified. This absence of distinction is nothingness, as nothingness has no distinction or nothingness would be a thing, thus the Buddhist paradox of the "unity of emptiness".
Speaking of distinctions in relation to a unity is a strange paradox...it seems as if there were a true unity there could be no external point of view to ascribe distinctions. A true unity is unobservable.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.
Yes. The paradox continues however considering the unity of everything must include the phenomenon of 'disunity', 'distinction', 'multiplicity', and so on and so forth. A true unity would have no distinctions thus is not a thing we can see with our eyes.hjcarden1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:11 pmSpeaking of distinctions in relation to a unity is a strange paradox...it seems as if there were a true unity there could be no external point of view to ascribe distinctions. A true unity is unobservable.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 pm With the presence of unity comes an absence of distinctions between the connected phenomenon. This absence of distinctions results in a relative state of nothingness occurring as distinctions are necessary for things to occur. In these respects absolute unity is inseparable from nothingness.