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The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
by alan1000
Being, obviously, the rise of the AI chatbot.
All of the philosophy forums are affected. They are, at least for the moment, fairly easy to detect; meandering and aimless, verbose, lacking any particular perspective or viewpoint, summarising a comprehensive variety of philosophical talking-points without supporting arguments or critical discussion, and evidencing no personal bias or style of writing.
The moderators are reluctant to intervene, for understandable reasons relating to freedom of expression; they will not intervene in threads which are merely absurd, irrelevant, irrational, or unintelligible, because such opinions are also expressed in universities; so we cannot expect them to intervene in threads which are merely trivial and meaningless.
But where does this leave those of us who come here for intelligent discussion? Would we be better off (and here's an interesting thought) if AI was moderating the forum?
Maybe somebody could set up a forum moderated by a chatbot, so we can make a comparison.
Re: The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 3:52 am
by Agent Smith
I've been on a coupla fora and one in particular was me favorite hang out until ... they threw me overboard ... without a life ring, forget a lifeboat.
Thanks to my highly selective memory I recall only few things I read and one was a question that seems ta fit like a glove in re this thread.
Challenge: What's the question.
Re: The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 4:31 am
by Age
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
Being, obviously, the rise of the AI chatbot.
All of the philosophy forums are affected. They are, at least for the moment, fairly easy to detect; meandering and aimless, verbose, lacking any particular perspective or viewpoint, summarising a comprehensive variety of philosophical talking-points without supporting arguments or critical discussion, and evidencing no personal bias or style of writing.
The moderators are reluctant to intervene, for understandable reasons relating to freedom of expression; they will not intervene in threads which are merely absurd, irrelevant, irrational, or unintelligible, because such opinions are also expressed in universities; so we cannot expect them to intervene in threads which are merely trivial and meaningless.
But where does this leave those of us who come here for intelligent discussion? Would we be better off (and here's an interesting thought) if AI was moderating the forum?
Maybe somebody could set up a forum moderated by a chatbot, so we can make a comparison.
If you want to chat in a forum where 'freedom of expresion' is suppressed somehow, then by all means go.
Re: The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 9:10 am
by Wizard22
I'm not impressed by ChatGPT so far.
Can anybody make some AI accounts on this forum and set them loose? I want strong debate opponents, not limp-wristed nancy boys who run at the first sign of trouble...
BRING
IT
ON!
Re: The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:45 pm
by alan1000
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:31 am
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
Being, obviously, the rise of the AI chatbot.
All of the philosophy forums are affected. They are, at least for the moment, fairly easy to detect; meandering and aimless, verbose, lacking any particular perspective or viewpoint, summarising a comprehensive variety of philosophical talking-points without supporting arguments or critical discussion, and evidencing no personal bias or style of writing.
The moderators are reluctant to intervene, for understandable reasons relating to freedom of expression; they will not intervene in threads which are merely absurd, irrelevant, irrational, or unintelligible, because such opinions are also expressed in universities; so we cannot expect them to intervene in threads which are merely trivial and meaningless.
But where does this leave those of us who come here for intelligent discussion? Would we be better off (and here's an interesting thought) if AI was moderating the forum?
Maybe somebody could set up a forum moderated by a chatbot, so we can make a comparison.
If you want to chat in a forum where 'freedom of expresion' is suppressed somehow, then by all means go.
I don't think you have quite understood the point I was making. Please re-read the original post more carefully.
Re: The Challenge For Philosophy Forums Today
Posted: Sat May 20, 2023 12:27 pm
by Age
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
Being, obviously, the rise of the AI chatbot.
All of the philosophy forums are affected. They are, at least for the moment, fairly easy to detect; meandering and aimless, verbose, lacking any particular perspective or viewpoint, summarising a comprehensive variety of philosophical talking-points without supporting arguments or critical discussion, and evidencing no personal bias or style of writing.
The moderators are reluctant to intervene, for understandable reasons relating to freedom of expression; they will not intervene in threads which are merely absurd, irrelevant, irrational, or unintelligible, because such opinions are also expressed in universities; so we cannot expect them to intervene in threads which are merely trivial and meaningless.
Well considering that you can, supposedly, fairly easily detect posts done by 'artificial intelligence' would you like to share under what name/s 'artificially intelligent' posts are made?
if no, then WHY NOT?
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
But where does this leave those of us who come here for intelligent discussion?
Does ANY come here for UNINTELLIGENT discussions?
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
Would we be better off (and here's an interesting thought) if AI was moderating the forum?
No.
We are ALL MUCH BETTER OFF when we are able to go at least somewhere WITHOUT being 'moderated' by ANY particular 'one' nor 'thing'.
alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 pm
Maybe somebody could set up a forum moderated by a chatbot, so we can make a comparison.
Maybe, but I suggest for those who are Truly INTERESTED in 'this', then they do set one UP. In the meantime WHY NOT let 'this forum' be, how it is, that is; relatively moderator FREE.
By the way, if you, or ANY one "else", wants to chat in a forum where 'freedom of expression' is suppressed in some way, then by all means go to one of 'those forums'. After all FINDING one would NOT be that hard to do, AT ALL.