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In thinking about things, we have acts or action....
and how do we perceive these things? and what criteria do
we use to act or create actions upon these things?

let us put some bones on this: conservatives always talk
about how they want to "protect" the children....and in this
statement, to "protect" the children they have created such
terms as "grooming" and the term "trans" by which they will
"protect" the children from being "groomed" or becoming "trans",
but let us reevaluate this in terms of, not the act/action of "protecting"
but in terms of the perceiving...
of becoming aware of the "grooming" or "trans"...
what is the mindset of one who becomes aware of others "grooming?"
This "woke" action of becoming aware of others who ''groom" or
engage in "trans"...

or to phrase this another way, if I look at the world in a certain way,
I will see the world in that way... if I look at the world with rose
colored glasses, I will see the world with a rose colored hue... and
then denounce the world as being rose colored because, well just because....
that is the conservative position... they see the world through the eyes
of their preconceived notions...or said another way, if all you have is
a hammer, then every solution looks like a nail....

the act of "protecting" the children derives from their looking/seeing the world
through one specific way....the problem lies in their viewpoint, their
way of seeing the world....and given they have no imagination, they
cannot see the world in any other way...all they have is hammers
and thus every solution they offer is hitting the nail...

the act or the action can only begin with the perception of the world...
and if the world is seen through fear or hate or greed or lust, that is how
we begin the act or action... with fear or hate or greed or lust...

if we begin to see the world through the lens of Christian ideology,
that all men are born with sin, that is the lens through which
we see the world...and all act/actions begin with the notion
that "all men are born with sin".....

so conservatives want to act, but they do so without understanding
the fundamental basis upon which they act...through which lens they
see the world...that is where to begin, not with the act or action,
but with the perception of the world... how do I see the world?
on which lens do I see the world?

the conservative see the world vastly different than the liberal
because the conservative holds to a vastly different viewpoint right
from the start....it begins with their preconceived notions..
that "all men are born in sin" is a "preconceived notion"...
and that is where we must begin our engagement with
who we are and what it means to be human... with our
"preconceived notions"... we cannot act or engage in actions until
we come to the reality of what is our preconceived notions and
what do they mean....

and preconceived notions are the idea's and beliefs that we
are indoctrinated with as children...

so, for example, you might say, Kropotkin, you are wrong...
but I suggest that the reason you think I am wrong comes
from your preconceived notions/indoctrinations.. not from
any actual thought to what I am saying... you are reacting to
the "voices" in your head, and not to the reality of what
I am saying/writing...

and until we begin to work out those preconceived notions/indoctrinations,
and what they mean, we cannot act nor can we engage in actions...

or to put it another way, the voice in our heads engaged in our
understanding of right or wrong, where does that voice come from?
whose voice is it? is it your voice or much more likely, the voice
of your parents, your state, your birth ism's/ideologies, the prejudices
and habits of the when and where of your birth...I was born in America,
and thus I hold the prejudices and habits of America.. my preconceived notions
are indoctrinations of being an American, born of a certain time and place...
and thus my acts/actions are an engagement with those indoctrinations
I was born with, I see the world with the colored glasses of American
indoctrinations and my acts and actions begin there....

so, don't ask, what should I be doing, or what actions should I be taking,
ask, what indoctrinations/brainwashing have I been instructed with?
what rose colored glasses have I been indoctrinated with?
and afterwards, after we see what our indoctrinations are,
then and only then can we begin to act or create actions....

Kropotkin

thus we should begin, not with what actions should I take, but
how do I perceive the world?

Kropotkin

and what of it, Kropotkin?
what does it matter that we might begin in the wrong place?
who cares? all that matters is the end results....
and this dedication to the indoctrinations of the childhood,
means that we are starting in the wrong place, and
in doing so, we cannot end up in the right place...

let us think about this:
the conservatives say that liberals "groom" children...
and that this must stop.. ok, on what grounds do you believe
this? this belief is an indoctrination, not actual experience...
and therein lies the problem with indoctrinations, it ignores
actual experience...it ignores fact and logic and rational thought...
recall that the conservative believes in the bible regards of any facts
or evidence to the contrary... there belief system operates in
the exact same way.. they hold to their beliefs regardless of
any facts or evidence to the contrary...they act, act upon beliefs
that have no basis in reality... so, given there belief that
liberals "groom" children, so, let us see who is being made,
"moral" by their actions? you have three aspects of this action,
the sending/sender, you have the message and you have the
receiver....on this lies the very basis of communication...
for communication to succeed, it must have these three
aspects, a sender, a message and a receiver...
and so, you have the sender, the conservative,
you have the message, and you have the receiver...
what is the message being sent and who is it being sent to?

I would suggest that the conservative is out of tune with
the message sent.. it lies in the already held preconceived notions
of the conservative, not in the actual reality of the situation...
it is the wrong message because it starts in the wrong place...
that liberals "groom" children.. they don't... and thus the message
sent, is the wrong message...but once again, how is the liberal
being made "moral" by this message? and isn't that the point, to
seek out "Moral" actions/behavior? but if the message is wrong,
then how can we discover what being moral actually means?
morality depends on the message... which depends on the
preconceive beliefs already being held...morality begins with
our preconceived beliefs...what is right and wrong begins with
our childhood indoctrinations, superstitions, prejudice, bigotry....
not with any facts or evidence.. because facts and evidence is
irrelevant to the indoctrinations....what counts is the indoctrinations,
prejudice, superstitions, and bigotry.. not the facts or evidence for
or against such childhood indoctrinations...childhood indoctrinations
means never having to engage in seeking out if they are actually
"true".. you simple accept the indoctrinations as truth, never giving
any thought to their legitimacy or accuracy... your starting point
is wrong and any journey will be in the wrong direction...and that is
where we find a lot of people including the conservative...
starting in the wrong place, going in the wrong direction...

Kropotkin