Philosophy Now Forum

True seeing is knowing that everything that we do in our lives is simply just a waste of time & energy and that we are just distracting ourselves up until the point that we die. True seeing is understanding the fact that the world that we live in is not only cruel, evil and hateful, but is also absolutely and entirely meaningless for all living beings. True seeing is the natural default mental state for all of those who understand how pointless, meaningless, cruel, evil, unfair and torturous this existence truly is.

True seeing is knowing and throughly understanding the absolute certain permanent impermanence of existence. Especially the impermanence of kindness, goodness, love and all things humane and moral.
"We never love anyone. What we love is the idea we have of someone.
It's our own concept—our own selves—that we love." -- Fernando Pessoa

To die before you die is the intelligent thing to do. That is the only intelligence. It's ironically the peace that passes all human understanding, because to truly understand in ''looking not'' I am the ''looked upon'' is all you essentially are.
All that can be seen is the object of seeing, and never the seer. I am looking to this object, the object is never looking at me.

The seer, seeing, seen are the same one empty looking upon the apparent fullness of emptiness, and that what you see in others is only ever a reflection of you.


.

You are what you think

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 am You are what you think

Only within the conceptual overlay of false identification with extraneously ''thought things''. But in knowing this, the affirmation of self can be removed, and the who or what you really are remains pure, becomes evidently self-shining. True Knowledge is knowing you do not know. Knowledge of objects is not true knowledge. Since the self-luminous self is all there is, with nothing else for it to know, with nothing else to know it.

The self is knowledge. The lack of which it isn't.



.

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 am You are what you think

I taught I thaw a puddy tat - Tweety

-Imp

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am True seeing is knowing ...

"Apprehension," is a better word than "seeing" for your thread title. Apprehension does not require the eye sense.

True seeing, as you posit, is actually apprehension unaffected by attachments, aka equanimity, which is the closest folks get to objectivity, seeing as how folks are a part of every situation, even those that are imagined in a time and place far far away. To see future sooth, see sooth now.

apprehension
3a: the act or power of perceiving or comprehending something


Glad to help straighten out your thinking.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am True seeing is knowing that everything that we do in our lives is simply just a waste of time & energy

Dear Sister-Woman... please consider,

What time?

What energy?

How is it a waste? Is a dream a waste'?

'Who' cares?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 amand that we are just distracting ourselves up until the point that we die.

That may be so... but what else should we be doing... what are we distracting ourselves from... and what difference does it make?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 amTrue seeing is the natural default mental state for all of those who understand how pointless, meaningless, cruel, evil, unfair and torturous this existence truly is.

So, DANCE!!!

We are here. Is it by accident? If so, who cares?

It can be an opportunity to discover...
...what else there is here
...how to love more
...how to dance more
...what we can make of ourselves
like sandcastles on a beach that are washed away by the tide.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 amthe impermanence of kindness, goodness, love and all things humane and moral

Each moment is a treasure trove... full of horror or bliss or whatever else. Perhaps we are creators mastering our creations in a sensory realm of vast possibilities. Magnificent!

Many ways to see everything. Many ways to experience.

Is there really any 'true seeing'?

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:55 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 am You are what you think

“I Tink! I Tink!”
“Shame on you!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfcfOgLjxQ

*

They say that folks with the unusual ability to perform mathematical calculations in the visual cortex portion of the brain can be as quick and accurate as electronic calculators.

The obvious Question. For soothsayers who apprehend reality without the eye sense, what is the visual cortex portion of the brain used for … seeing as how we use all of the brain to understand 10% of the brain unless non-distraction boosts the percentage up a bit.

Answer: Obviously, just as the visual cortex can be used for mathematical calculations that precisely correlate with the reality of mathematics, so too can it be used to apprehend reality without the distractions of the eye sense.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:27 pm "Apprehension," is a better word than "seeing" for your thread title.

Thanks, but I prefer the word ''seeing''

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:27 pmApprehension does not require the eye sense.

I never suggested the eye sense was required, whatever that is supposed to mean, only you would make-up such random poop, Walker.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:27 pmTrue seeing, as you posit, is actually apprehension unaffected by attachments, aka equanimity, which is the closest folks get to objectivity, seeing as how folks are a part of every situation, even those that are imagined in a time and place far far away. To see future sooth, see sooth now.

apprehension
3a: the act or power of perceiving or comprehending something

No, it's not 'apprehension' as you put it, it's actually 'true seeing' in my opinion.
You are welcome to change my words for your own though, if doing so makes you feel as though you have something worthwhile to offer.
But know that your offerings rarely change my opinion, as much as you love to revel in your own ego thought processes as being a better substitute for mine, even believing your opinions are straighter than mine, and could even straighten mine out as if they were crooked, is a rather absurd idea, if you don't mind me saying.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:27 pmGlad to help straighten out your thinking.

I see!


However, I'd rather stick to my own philosophical musings thank-you.
True seeing is seeing ''No one ever sees the seer'' The mind can create a reflection or concept of a seer to objectify and then see, but that which is seeing this, is the true seer. This true seeing is the only intelligence, it is seeing through the illusion of all mental appearances which have about as much substance and permanence to them as if they were a dream. And so when 'true seeing' finally dawns, there simply is no more craving or desire to chase after those pretty pink balloons anymore.
There is no more more, there's just plain old boring loss.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:53 pm like sandcastles on a beach that are washed away by the tide.

That's a great analogy. And just about sums up the intelligence of 'true seeing' the way life really is, and not how we would wish it to be.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:53 pmEach moment is a treasure trove... full of horror or bliss or whatever else. Perhaps we are creators mastering our creations in a sensory realm of vast possibilities. Magnificent!

Many ways to see everything. Many ways to experience.

Is there really any 'true seeing'?

'True seeing' simply means experiencing the many of the ONE ways in which one will experience what is an infinite abundance of experiences. And see that they are all mirages, here today, gone tomorrow. Pure empty fullness.

This pure empty full Abun-Dance

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am True seeing is knowing that everything that we do in our lives is simply just a waste of time & energy and that we are just distracting ourselves up until the point that we die.

Waste is a judgement by the living.
Everything we do is neutral, beyond the judgement of the living.
Neither beneficial or wasteful.
This also applies to our death - neutral.

If you say death has meaning to you,
you are reinforcing the structure that is the living being.
By giving death meaning,
so too, do you give meaning to it's counterparts.

You declare these things matter.
Is it a distraction to listen to your body's urges?
Is not the motivation to 'true-see', but just one more urge?
Why ought one 'true-see', if we set aside our bias?

I don't think death need remove meaning. It can reinforce it.
We're born with meaning - subjective and unfounded, but that's what we work with.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am True seeing is knowing and thoroughly understanding the absolute certain permanent impermanence of existence.

There's enough reason to question this. We don't have enough information declare certainty in this domain.
But if you kindly would, please elaborate to exactly what 'permanent impermanence' with respect to existence means to you?
That existence is ever changing? that we're all dying?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am "We never love anyone. What we love is the idea we have of someone.
It's our own concept—our own selves—that we love." -- Fernando Pessoa

A few things:

We're someone. So if we love ourselves, then we love someone. Thereby contradicting the premise.

The quote basically defines love as impossible, due to the limits of human perception.
We only have access to our own minds, therefore, we can only connect to our mind's representations.
If our representation of another is accurate, then it is them we are thinking of - not ourselves.
As we would have a vastly different representation of ourselves, which we distinguish from the other.

The above basically says, if we had direct access to the other, we could still love them.
So declaring love false, is completely missing the point - likely intentionally so.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am To die before you die is the intelligent thing to do.

You haven't made this case.
Why ought you listen to one urge, above another?

Perhaps you're trying to protect yourself.
There are alternate responses.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:13 pm

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:55 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 am You are what you think

“I Tink! I Tink!”
“Shame on you!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfcfOgLjxQ

*

They say that folks with the unusual ability to perform mathematical calculations in the visual cortex portion of the brain can be as quick and accurate as electronic calculators.

The obvious Question. For soothsayers who apprehend reality without the eye sense, what is the visual cortex portion of the brain used for … seeing as how we use all of the brain to understand 10% of the brain unless non-distraction boosts the percentage up a bit.

Answer: Obviously, just as the visual cortex can be used for mathematical calculations that precisely correlate with the reality of mathematics, so too can it be used to apprehend reality without the distractions of the eye sense.

Quite an interesting take on the matter. It appears that you haven't wasted yer time unlike some of us.

Ben JS wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:58 pmThere's enough reason to question this. We don't have enough information declare certainty in this domain.
But if you kindly would, please elaborate to exactly what 'permanent impermanence' with respect to existence means to you?
That existence is ever changing? that we're all dying?

Thank you for your reply.

For me personally, 'true seeing' is being aware that everything is in constant freefall, passing away in every moment, nothing is permanent. We are dying as we live, and everything I hold dear to, will one day, be lost and gone forever, including me.

There is nowhere to call home, except to say, homelessness is my only home.
As for distraction, it is needed to disguise the emptiness of existence.

This is not a depressive thought. It is intelligence, in fact to be labled a depressive, is a compliment, it means one is intelligent, capable of 'true seeing' and not being ignorant to the truth of existence, the truth of reality. The truth that there isn't any truth.


'Emptiness' means empty of a separate self. It is full of everything, full of life. The word emptiness should not scare us. It is a wonderful word. To be empty does not mean non-existent. Emptiness is the ground of everything. Thanks to emptiness, everything is possible.

I don't see the point to having no ear lids.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 am "We never love anyone. What we love is the idea we have of someone.
It's our own concept—our own selves—that we love." -- Fernando Pessoa

Ben JS wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:58 pmA few things:

We're someone. So if we love ourselves, then we love someone. Thereby contradicting the premise.

The quote basically defines love as impossible, due to the limits of human perception.
We only have access to our own minds, therefore, we can only connect to our mind's representations.
If our representation of another is accurate, then it is them we are thinking of - not ourselves.
As we would have a vastly different representation of ourselves, which we distinguish from the other.

The above basically says, if we had direct access to the other, we could still love them.
So declaring love false, is completely missing the point - likely intentionally so.

I do not particularly resonate with your reply.

For me personally, there is no one to love because there is no other than one. Everything is an expression of this one unconditional love. Even hate, is an expression of love. Love has to be unconditional, otherwise, it's not real love, it's not free love. Existence is free to be in every moment, to be exactly what it is, and never what it isn't.

It takes ONE to know one, but this ONE is the ONLY knowing there is.