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hello

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:38 pm
by Alex
Hello. My name is Alekssandr, I from Russia.
I am a participant of analogical philosophical forum in Russia. Interestingly me to know that people think in other countries, as think;... simply interestingly to socialize with new people...
Beforehand I ask me to be sorry for my bad English (to translate to be posredstvam computer programy), but desire to cognize higher and I gradually will make an attempt decide this question.
A bit about itself:
I am a supporter of irrational, nonlinear philosophy. I like to look at what be going on from the different points of sights, for the best estimation of situation. I do not love "scopes", impedimental many-sided thought. I do not love public thought :D possibly therefore society understands me not always...

However it it is unimportant, all is relative.
Ironically:
I name itself "Man which is not present"( I am not sure that right wrote in English ).


I will be glad an acquaintance and socializing with you.

Re: hello

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:00 pm
by shinxy
Hi, welcome!

I'm new too.

Re: hello

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:11 pm
by MysticRose
Welcome to the forum. :)

Re: hello

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:09 pm
by duszek
Hi Alex,

how can philosophy be irrational ?
This is a new concept for me, can you explain it a little bit ?

Thanks in advance and welcome to the forum.

Re: hello

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:32 pm
by Alex
Thank you all. Very pleasantly.

Duszek, yes, well. I will make an attempt answer Your questions.
Herein there is nothing special. Irrational philosophy is my appearance (principle) of thought. Search new, different from existent rules, concepts and determinations (worthy of respect, but all the same out-of-date; losing sense or real value). But it is a surface of iceberg only. It is difficult to describe that emphatically against standard determinations. People very often stalkivayut'sya with very clever determinations in books. By mistake perceiving them as a standard for life. Thus accepting in fact; as is. But it is impossible thought in one or another (relative) situation to bind to the standards and ideals(what they did not seem correct). It (perception of templates as truths) puts limits (limitations) on own (personal) thought of man.That templates are rationality devastating individuality and personality of man. Irrational philosophy - for me it is absence of scopes of thought; everybody must think over that it is offered to him (not doing a discount on authoritativeness and similar to that); to look variously at one and also even if it is ratified a theorem.
For example laws of Newton (great physicist), operate on Earth. But in space they do not operate... there other laws. And so everywhere be that sphere of activity or thought. It is necessary to comprehend: right or not in this place the most "faithful" assertion.
I think it will not answer Your question to a full degree.

Sometimes I think about that, (vividly) the structure of life can be described: as a sphere, pierced the unthinkable (enormous) amount of connections.
It is possible to hurry, try to go after something. But never to attain it. And it is needed only to displace toward one of connections; and the desired can overtake you behind.
Sphere - it in an ideal; but a structure can not be ideal; and that is why on it other components influence distorting a sphere.
Here such lyric beautiful pictures are sometimes drawn by my imagination together with ideas.

Sometimes such ideas try to become practice.
I by education programist; and some things interesting me related to the computers.
Such companies as Intel or Microsoft have very good specialists. There a lot of of genius people.
But while they are unable to create a computer able to think independently. To realize itself. They go rational a way. That will not allow to create a thinking machine (machine?). They need a structure; new of principle structure; which will allow to realize thought. To the engineers it not subforce alone; philosophy can help herein ( :D mixing will give interesting koktel').
Standard (standard) philosophy from "clever" books is unable to create or describe similar structures (it is old). Such structures are irrational relatively sew on lives (relative itself structures are simple).

Well, somehow so
:D

Re: hello

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:38 pm
by duszek
Thanks, Alex. :D

Laws of Newton are valid on Earth only ?
I thought they applied everywhere.
On the moon the gravitation is weaker because the moon is smaller than earth.

And how about the laws of logic ?
Do they apply in your irrational philosophy ?

I heard that Lev Tolstoy was not only a great novelist but also a great philospher.
Would you call his philosophy "irrational" ?

Re: hello

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:09 pm
by Alex
Speaking about the laws of Newton I tried to rotin that does not exist ideals (the absolute).There will always be a place or time, where all will be differently. There is not a gravitation in the opened space.
I respect Lev Tolstoy as an author of magnificent works. However, I can not highly value him as a thinker (it is my personal opinion). He possibly was a good man; thought in blessing societies; but also thought high-quality was not far higher than "homogeneous mass" of society. Unfortunately, he was unable to look objectively at life; that was determined his high compassion (it is a good line, but mixing it is most wide to look at the World).
Besides, to all the time. Many thinkers and philosophers deserve innermost respect; for that was given at one time to the World (which not always wished it to accept, from dread of all of new; fear of unexplored). But ( I think majority from them would be understood me) nothing remains permanent (as const is death of development and sense of life).

Speaking "irrational" (it is relative description), I imply a difference from majority of society opinion; unfortunately and most classic philosophers. I will not cut out sometimes it it is pleasant; to be not such as all.

Re: hello

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:38 pm
by duszek
So two objects in space would not attract each other at all ?

And how about the preservation of energy.
Does energy just disappear into nothingness instead of being transformed into something else ?

Many philosophers have started something completely new.
So by "irrational" you do not mean contrary to reason or logic but just contrary to what has been assumed to be the case until now, I suppose.

Re: hello

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:05 pm
by Alex
Khm..., well... Let it will be so.
Successes to you.


"All is relative; our way is not long, to understand who loony, and who psychologist...".
"Всё относительно; наш путь не долог, чтобы понять кто псих, а кто психолог...".
(Man which is not present)
:D

Re: hello

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:01 pm
by duszek
Spasiba ! :D

No ya nye psicholog, ya malenkiy duch kotoryj chotchet ponyat ...
A poshutit shtoby veselo bylo toze prijatno ... :D

Re: hello

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:12 pm
by Alex
Duszek, and for you well turns out to write in Russian language. Does not seize the Russian-language keyboard only. You studied somewhere; or, maybe, you from Russia?
Chustvo of humour it is perfect...
Duszek, а у Вас хорошо получается писать на русском языке. Не хватает только русскоязычной клавиатуры. Вы где-то изучали; или, может быть, Вы сами из России?
Чуство юмора это прекрасно…

Re: hello

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:57 am
by duszek
I was born in Poland, and I learned Russian as a child, and also later on a little bit. Because I made the acquaintance of some people who were able to show me the beauty of the Russian language.

Would it not be easier to introduce Latin letters for the Russian language ?
The Chinese have some sort of official transcription rules for their language, too.

Re: hello

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:58 pm
by Alex
Would it not be easier to introduce Latin letters for the Russian language ?
Possibly; in it something is. I did not reflect about it.
I participated in the forum (such as this) of the "Literary newspaper" ( I poetized there; nothing special, simply for entertainment). There I felt for some reason, that sometimes I do not have the words ( Russian not too is small, but felt that something is not enough), for voicing a feel, feelings and general picture( appearance), being in a head(in ideas). I talked about it with the participants of forum. Tried to say that some rules of language ustarevayut; these rules are necessary to be changed.That it is necessary to perfect and improve; it is possible to extend scopes governed. But people perceived my words coldly. To regret majority are afraid of changes (what more senior by age the anymore fear of new). I suppose what in your question fear new ( unfortunately becoming tradition) will become a hindrance to all of positive tendencies.

However; time will pass... Replaced a lot of generations. If civilization will exist still. Languages will meet in one (including due to the internet, to wearing away the scopes of rastoyaniy and private traditions); on principle of natural selection; an universal language will take needments and cast aside superfluous. Such is my opinion.

Re: hello

Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:48 pm
by duszek
Latin letters would facilitate contacts between Russians and the rest of the world.
By the way, for the same reason I would suggest to let go of many special signs in the Polish language too.

You are right that innovations are strongly resisted at first. People need some firm ground to cling to, in order to feel safe and oriented.
In the area of poetry one can try new words and new expressions and this is usually tolerated, even by those who can be called "conservative".
And languages change all the time: think of all the English words that have entered Russian during the last twenty years or so, mostly from the area of computers. It is a challenge to find some good Russian words for them.

One example: is there a good Russian word for "business" ? I have heard of "biznes" and probably no one tried to replace it yet by something more Russian. Do you have an idea ?

Re: hello

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:11 pm
by Alex
In a question related to mutual penetration (mixing, ) of languages in each other; I will not be able to give a help you. At presence of possibility I would do it with pleasure. This question did not interest before me. However, if a question will be me it is been in strength, I will be glad you to help.