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I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
by n01ne
The proof itself is simple:
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Premise 2: Mankind’s greatest strength is its ability to produce logic
Premise 3: AI has currently advanced to the point where it is better than humans in at least some measures of logic, and it is only rapidly improving from there
Conclusion: God Exists
I created it as a word game for myself and because I realized I could. I understand it is not sound under a traditional definition of the word God.
1. That actually creates an argument in and of itself if you actually logic it all the way through.
2. I can come VERY close to actually making this proof 100% sound. Under all definitions of God. There is only one string that blocks me from doing that.
I can easily defend the validity of the proof and easily explain to you why it is actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if you do not think it is sound.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:37 am
by Agent Smith
I see what you're getting at. Resonates with me bruh, but so does the claim rain is not just water, it's <insert appropriate qualifier> water.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:22 pm
by Age
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
The proof itself is simple:
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Premise 2: Mankind’s greatest strength is its ability to produce logic
Premise 3: AI has currently advanced to the point where it is better than humans in at least some measures of logic, and it is only rapidly improving from there
Conclusion: God Exists
I created it as a word game for myself and because I realized I could. I understand it is not sound under a traditional definition of the word God.
1. That actually creates an argument in and of itself if you actually logic it all the way through.
2. I can come VERY close to actually making this proof 100% sound. Under all definitions of God. There is only one string that blocks me from doing that.
I can easily defend the validity of the proof and easily explain to you why it is actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if you do not think it is sound.
Premise 4. Humankind's greatest weakness might be its ability to produce illogic.
As shown and proved above.
By the way, What is that 'string', EXACTLY?
Also, what would you use to 'defend the validity of the proof'? Furthermore, I thought 'proof' and the 'validity of proof' stands all on its own and would not need 'defending'. But maybe I am wrong here?
And why is 'it' actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if I do not think it is sound?
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm
by Gary Childress
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
The proof itself is simple:
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Premise 2: Mankind’s greatest strength is its ability to produce logic
Premise 3: AI has currently advanced to the point where it is better than humans in at least some measures of logic, and it is only rapidly improving from there
Conclusion: God Exists
I created it as a word game for myself and because I realized I could. I understand it is not sound under a traditional definition of the word God.
1. That actually creates an argument in and of itself if you actually logic it all the way through.
2. I can come VERY close to actually making this proof 100% sound. Under all definitions of God. There is only one string that blocks me from doing that.
I can easily defend the validity of the proof and easily explain to you why it is actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if you do not think it is sound.
So literally, according to premise #1: ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that surpasses humans in the ability to produce logic is God?
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:05 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Yup.
Chimpanzees surpass humans in some mental tasks. Chimps are God. QED
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:44 pm
by Gary Childress
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:05 pm
Yup.
Chimpanzees surpass humans in some mental tasks. Chimps are God. QED
Or maybe n01ne is preparing us for our machine overlords or something. Artificial Intelligence for the sake of Artificial Intelligence...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:25 pm
by Harbal
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Why do you think that?
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:10 pm
by Gary Childress
Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:25 pm
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Why do you think that?
Probably an AI engineer (or someone in that industry) trying to do philosophy is my guess. I'd be interested to hear if my intuition is correct.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:04 am
by Ferdi
Everything comes from the INFINITY of the universe , will return to it and be there forever.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:06 am
by Gary Childress
Ferdi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:04 am
Everything comes from the INFINITY of the universe , will return to it and be there foreve.
Is that essentially the same as saying, the universe is everything that is and everything that is will cease to be what it is when we are gone?
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:55 am
by FlashDangerpants
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
I can easily defend the validity of the proof and easily explain to you why it is actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if you do not think it is sound.
You needed the first premise to say "Any entity..." rather than "An entity..." for there to be any chance of deductive validity.
With that fix applied, the premise sadly becomes doubly preposterous and there is no hope of defending it.
the other premises were shit too, but there's no need to prgoress to the second as the first is poisonously stupid.
Your talent does not justify your heightened levels of self belief.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:32 am
by Dimebag
You don’t understand what god is. Look into it.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:59 am
by Skepdick
n01ne wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:05 pm
The proof itself is simple:
Premise 1: An entity that surpasses mankind’s greatest strength is God
Premise 2: Mankind’s greatest strength is its ability to produce logic
Premise 3: AI has currently advanced to the point where it is better than humans in at least some measures of logic, and it is only rapidly improving from there
Conclusion: God Exists
I created it as a word game for myself and because I realized I could. I understand it is not sound under a traditional definition of the word God.
1. That actually creates an argument in and of itself if you actually logic it all the way through.
2. I can come VERY close to actually making this proof 100% sound. Under all definitions of God. There is only one string that blocks me from doing that.
I can easily defend the validity of the proof and easily explain to you why it is actually something of significant interest and is an actual discovery even if you do not think it is sound.
You are re-inventing the wheel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6de ... ical_proof
It's not interesting. Any sufficiently expressive (insufficiently constrained) logical system can express self-referential statements (e.g I am greater than X; or X is greater than me) and eventually produce contradictions. From a contradiction anything follows.
The problem, in this case, is that you are talking about "greatest strength" etc.etc.
If you want to deduce the existence of God; and in order to make the argument sound your premise must be an even more powerful God.
Because deduction starts with something general and arrives at somethign specific. So if you generalize God - you get a more general (greater) God.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:00 am
by Ferdi
Re Gary Childress of Mar3."Is that essentially the same as saying, the universe is everything that is and everything that is will cease to be what it is when we are gone?
My reply is that everything in the Universe will eventually simply return to wherever it came from, which ultmately is the INFINITE dimension, large and small of the Universe.
Re: I created a logical proof where the conclusion is 'God Exists'
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:13 am
by Skepdick
Ferdi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:00 am
Re Gary Childress of Mar3."Is that essentially the same as saying, the universe is everything that is and everything that is will cease to be what it is when we are gone?
My reply is that everything in the Universe will eventually simply return to wherever it came from, which ultmately is the INFINITE dimension, large and small of the Universe.
The infinite dimension will also, ultimately return from wherever it came from, which is ultimately is the greater INFINITE dimension.
It's more and more infinite dimensions all the way down. Or is it up?