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Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Consider this:

"I don't exist" is true


PROOF:

Let's assume that I do exist

So it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that I exist

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Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:24 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Consider this:

"I don't exist" is true


PROOF:

Let's assume that I do exist

So it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

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Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Let's assume it's a paradox.
It is true that it is true that it is true that it is a paradox...
ad infinitem.

QED
It is not true that it is a paradox.

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:47 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

I'm not sure why you think that because of the list you made and imply could (should?) go on forever you don't exist. Those are just letters on a screen, not even an argument, and your existence is not dependent on you writing any of that list, let alone an infinite version. You made a lot of statements, which are not tied together in an argument.

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm

Can you solve the Paradox?

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:34 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:24 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Consider this:

"I don't exist" is true


PROOF:

Let's assume that I do exist

So it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

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Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Let's assume it's a paradox.
It is true that it is true that it is true that it is a paradox...
ad infinitem.

QED
It is not true that it is a paradox.

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it is "not true that it is a paradox." ...

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that... (Infinity...)

It is never true that it is "not true that it is a paradox." What are you talking about!?

My Paradox still stands!

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:03 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:47 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

I'm not sure why you think that because of the list you made and imply could (should?) go on forever you don't exist. Those are just letters on a screen, not even an argument, and your existence is not dependent on you writing any of that list, let alone an infinite version. You made a lot of statements, which are not tied together in an argument.

But can you solve the Paradox?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:31 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:03 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:47 pm I'm not sure why you think that because of the list you made and imply could (should?) go on forever you don't exist. Those are just letters on a screen, not even an argument, and your existence is not dependent on you writing any of that list, let alone an infinite version. You made a lot of statements, which are not tied together in an argument.

But can you solve the Paradox?

I didn't see a paradox. Explain why you need to make that list, why it needs to be infinite in order claim that you exist or if it is supposed to be entailed somehow by your existence, demonstrate that. For some reason, not stated, you decided to make a list. For some reason you decided, though it is not stated why. the list has to be infinite. For some reason, not stated, this entails either you do not exist or any argument that you exist or statement you exist leads to infinite assertions.

I did see a couple of contradictory claims.
You exist.
You don't exist.

I saw no justification for either, though I do happen to believe the first one is true.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:08 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm

Can you solve the Paradox?

'That which is never ceases to be. That which is not never comes into existence' ~ Quoted by Parmenides


God (if God exists) was not born.
Parmenides seems to assume that a thing can come into existence either (a) from being or (b) from not-being.
He would rule out (a) on the grounds that a thing can't come into being from itself; he would rule out (b) on the grounds that nothing comes from nothing.

There is only one homogeneous substance, always itself, always in the same place, that is, in itself, being only itself, knowing only itself, loving only itself. The homogeneous substance of all phenomena is not just behind all appearances. It is in the foreground as well. There is only that.

There is only one homogeneous substance, always itself

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:40 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:31 pm

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 1:03 pm

But can you solve the Paradox?

I didn't see a paradox. Explain why you need to make that list, why it needs to be infinite in order claim that you exist or if it is supposed to be entailed somehow by your existence, demonstrate that. For some reason, not stated, you decided to make a list. For some reason you decided, though it is not stated why. the list has to be infinite. For some reason, not stated, this entails either you do not exist or any argument that you exist or statement you exist leads to infinite assertions.

I did see a couple of contradictory claims.
You exist.
You don't exist.

I saw no justification for either, though I do happen to believe the first one is true.

Is what you are saying here true?

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Consider this:

"I don't exist" is true


PROOF:

Let's assume that I do exist

So it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

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Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm Consider this:

"I don't exist" is true


PROOF:

Let's assume that I do exist

So it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

So it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that it's true that I exist

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Infinity never ends, so I never exist.

I DON'T EXIST

END OF PROOF


...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:11 pm

...But I feel like I exist! It's a Paradox!

Can you solve the Paradox?