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Why did God not reveal His unimaginable nature to any soul?

[Swamiji, Why didn't God reveal His unimaginable nature to any soul? Is it impossible for God to make the soul understand His unimaginable nature?]

Swami replied:- If the unimaginable nature is revealed to any soul, it means the soul has understood the unimaginable God. If the soul is unable to understand the unimaginable God, you will say that the unimaginable God is not omnipotent in making the soul understand the nature of the unimaginable God. The unimaginable God revealed the Vedas and in the Veda, it is clearly told that the original absolute unimaginable God is not imaginable to any soul. The reason is that the unimaginable God is beyond space being the generator of space.

Can you unravel and simplify this plethora of words.....

Swami replied:- If the unimaginable nature is revealed to any soul, it means the soul has understood the unimaginable God. If the soul is unable to understand the unimaginable God, you will say that the unimaginable God is not omnipotent in making the soul understand the nature of the unimaginable God. The unimaginable God revealed the Vedas and in the Veda, it is clearly told that the original absolute unimaginable God is not imaginable to any soul. The reason is that the unimaginable God is beyond space being the generator of space.

reasonvemotion wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:12 am Can you unravel and simplify this plethora of words.....

One should not blame God that He is unable to make us understand the unimaginable God. So far we are thinking that we are able to understand God after doing lot of penance. This wrong knowledge is removed by God and today, you understood that you can never understand God. This point is also supported by the absence of spatial dimensions of God.

By this, scientists need not think that the unimaginable God beyond space does not exist at all. The genuine miracles, which are unimaginable events, exhibited by unimaginable source called as God, establish the existence of unimaginable entity and it is supported by the point that such unimaginable God is beyond space being the creator of space.





The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

You should not say that God is incapable of preaching the characteristics of God and that it shows only the ignorance about God. Most of the people are thinking God as imaginable item like awareness, all pervading energy, visible light, inert matter etc. Negating all these possibilities and establishing the true unimaginable nature of God itself is the perfect and complete knowledge of God. By realizing completely that God is unimaginable, you have attained the true knowledge of God. Nobody other than God can understand God (Brahamavit Brahmaiva….Veda).

If we understand the character of God then

we can predict that everything that God will do will be totally in harmony with his character which is in harmony with his law and

the law is the Ten Commandments as given by God to Moses

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dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am

reasonvemotion wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:12 am Can you unravel and simplify this plethora of words.....

One should not blame God that He is unable to make us understand the unimaginable God.

If God made Its Self to be, supposedly, unimaginable to a human being, then who, exactly, should be blamed for this?

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am So far we are thinking that we are able to understand God after doing lot of penance. This wrong knowledge is removed by God and today, you understood that you can never understand God. This point is also supported by the absence of spatial dimensions of God.

By this, scientists need not think that the unimaginable God beyond space does not exist at all. The genuine miracles, which are unimaginable events, exhibited by unimaginable source called as God, establish the existence of unimaginable entity and it is supported by the point that such unimaginable God is beyond space being the creator of space.

How do 'you' define the word 'unimaginable' "dattaswami"?

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am
The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space

Do you 'imagine' this?

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined.

But how do you KNOW that God can NEVER be 'imagined'?

I am pretty sure LOTS of people have 'imagined' what God is. Therefore, God can be 'imagined'?

Also, how do you KNOW that God is the generator of space?

Do you KNOW this is IRREFUTABLY True, or are you just 'imagining' that this is the case?

If it is the former, then WHERE is the IRREFUTABLE PROOF?

But if it is the latter, then God IS 'imaginable', or able to be 'imagined'.

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am If you have to imagine God,

But, OBVIOUSLY, NO one HAS TO 'imagine' God. 'you', adult human beings, just FREELY CHOOSE to do so.

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum.

REALLY? And,

WHY?

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

WHY do you call God a "He"? Is this what you IMAGINE God to be, or, is this just what you have been TOLD, and you are just REPEATING what you were TOLD?

If it is the latter, then WHY did those CALL God a "He"? Do they KNOW this to be an IRREFUTABLE Fact, or is this just what they IMAGINED was the case?

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am You should not say that God is incapable of preaching the characteristics of God and that it shows only the ignorance about God. Most of the people are thinking God as imaginable item like awareness,

Some people even think God is an 'imaginable' item, like a "He".

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am all pervading energy, visible light, inert matter etc. Negating all these possibilities and establishing the true unimaginable nature of God itself is the perfect and complete knowledge of God.

To me, this just sounds like a 'COP OUT', and ANOTHER WAY of just saying, 'I have absolutely NO CLUE as to what God IS, EXACTLY'.

What 'you' are doing here "dattaswami" would be like also 'trying to' CLAIM that 'gravity' is 'unimaginable' just because 'you' do NOT YET KNOW what 'gravity' IS, EXACTLY.

CLAIMING that 'God is unimaginable' and that 'that is the perfect and complete knowledge of God', comes across as though the one CLAIMING 'that' is VERY DELUSIONAL.

dattaswami wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:23 am By realizing completely that God is unimaginable, you have attained the true knowledge of God. Nobody other than God can understand God (Brahamavit Brahmaiva….Veda).

So, what 'you', "dattaswami", are CLAIMING here is the 'you' ARE God, right? After all 'you' are SAYING and CLAIMING here that ONLY God KNOWS and REALIZES that 'God is unimaginable', correct? Which 'you' are also CLAIMING that 'you' ALREADY KNOW and REALIZE 'this'.

Oh, and by the way, the answer to the question posed to 'you' above here IS 'No', correct?

That is 'you' can NOT unravel and simplify this plethora of words, of yours, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:34 am

How do 'you' define the word 'unimaginable' "dattaswami"?

Unimaginable means beyond space and do not has any spatial coordinates. Items in the creation can be defined by spatial coordinates. But God is unimaginable since He is beyond space and space came from Him and space do not exist in Him. He do not possess any spatial coordinates.


One should not confuse formless God with the unimaginable God. The items with form and formless exist as two sub-divisions in the imaginable creation itself. Space, air etc., are formless imaginable items, which are not unimaginable. No item of the imaginable creation whether with form or without form is the unimaginable God as said by the Veda (Neti Neti…). The awareness is also a specific work form of inert energy and is a part of imaginable creation only. This awareness can be seen as the waves of its essential inert energy through instruments.

Scriptures say that awareness or soul can be seen by advanced scientific intelligence (Dṛśyate tvagrayā— Veda and Paśyanti jñānacakṣuḥ— Gītā). You should not call the unimaginable God as the awareness in order to explain His process of thinking before creation, which was the will to create the world. Even though unimaginable God is not the awareness, still He can think due to His omnipotence. This unimaginable God is also said to burn the entire creation in the final dissolution (Attā carācara grahaṇāt— Brahma Sūtram) and this does not mean that the unimaginable God is either fire or radiant energy because He can burn the world due to His omnipotence and He need not be fire or radiant energy for this purpose of burning.

God is omniscient due to His omnipotence and the awareness seen in the world is not omniscient due to lack of omnipotence (Unimaginable God is omniscient and omnipotent and God need not be omnipresent because omnipresence is effectively achieved by omniscience and omnipotence, and physical omnipresence is not necessary, which brings the problem of God present in a demon and has to bear the responsibility of the sins of the demon.). The awareness in the world is having little knowledge and is a modification of inert energy in a functioning nervous system and the inert energy is obtained by the modification of food.

In this way, the awareness in the world is dependent on inert energy and materialized nervous system whereas unimaginable God is independent of both energy and matter, which did not exist before creation when God was thinking to create the world. If you are so fond of calling unimaginable God as awareness (since He thinks), you can call Him as unimaginable awareness, which is totally different from this imaginable awareness or soul. The unimaginable awareness is the unimaginable God Himself, the creator of this world (since two unimaginable items become one unimaginable item only) whereas the soul is a tiny part of this imaginable creation created by the unimaginable God.

Regarding Parabrahman or the unimaginable God, the Gita says two points:- 1. It has no birth and hence, no cause and 2. It is told as neither existent nor non-existent (Anādimat paraṃ Brahma, na sat tat nāsaducyate). Since Parabrahman is unimaginable, it is logical that it does not have birth and when there is no birth, there cannot be another cause from which Parabrahman is born. It cannot be told as existent because its nature is unimaginable since all known existent things are imaginable only. It also can’t be told as non-existent, because the unimaginable events called miracles existing in this world prove the existence of their source called unimaginable God or Parabrahman

Because he/she is infinite in the possession of all qualities; consequently, humanity appears infinitely trivial to him/her.

alan1000 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:10 pm Because he/she is infinite in the possession of all qualities; consequently, humanity appears infinitely trivial to him/her.

You are completely right...