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A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:32 pm
by Philosophy Now
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:55 pm
by Belinda
There is no noumenal world or noumenal things; there is experience only.
What puzzles me is the limits of experience. What is possibility?
If there are limits to the possible then the universe must be ordered not chaotic.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:38 am
by Agent Smith
Chemistry feels quite different from physics to me.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:49 am
by popeye1945
Order is what chaos leaves behind, the last man standing.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:43 pm
by Belinda
(In his Critique of Pure Reason, Kant defined ‘transcendental’ this way: “I call all knowledge transcendental if it is occupied, not with objects, but with the way that we can possibly know objects, even before we experience them.”)
quoted from the article cited.
The idea of the noumenal is nonsensical because it adds nothing to experience . Idealism notably modern British idealism needs no "things in themselves".
Physicalism is devoid of rationale for any ethics. Ethics are essential to humans as social beings. Science is not transcendental because science is the collective name for a special category of experiences.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:54 am
by owl of Minerva
According to Kant knowledge is transcendental when it is occupied not with objects but “the way we can possibly know objects, even before we experience them.” We can “possibly” know, have the possibility of knowing.
We experience objects, as experience only, before we actually know them. We are not cognizant of what we experience until we know what it is we are experiencing. Our experiencing is not dependent on our knowing, It happens without our knowing and is quite independent of it.
The transcendental could be classified as that which we experience but is not known until discovered or known apart from experience which is empirical. When it becomes theory or pure logic then it is known and is no longer transcendental.
Transcendental as Kant used used the term refers to objects not known. Another meaning relates it to the spiritual or nonphysical realm which Kant was not referring to as we can assume there are no “objects” there, at least no physical objects.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:48 pm
by Belinda
owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:54 am
According to Kant knowledge is transcendental when it is occupied not with objects but “the way we can possibly know objects, even before we experience them.” We can “possibly” know, have the possibility of knowing.
We experience objects, as experience only, before we actually know them. We are not cognizant of what we experience until we know what it is we are experiencing. Our experiencing is not dependent on our knowing, It happens without our knowing and is quite independent of it.
The transcendental could be classified as that which we experience but is not known until discovered or known apart from experience which is empirical. When it becomes theory or pure logic then it is known and is no longer transcendental.
Transcendental as Kant used used the term refers to objects not known. Another meaning relates it to the spiritual or nonphysical realm which Kant was not referring to as we can assume there are no “objects” there, at least no physical objects.
Because the world is constituted of experience, nothing transcends experience, including so-called instinctive experiences.
As I say"unfortunately" we are each of us encapsulated inside a skin and absolute experience is available only to mystics.
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:28 pm
by owl of Minerva
As humans we need more than experiences, we need to analyze and learn from experience. Whether truth is both necessary and contingent, as Hume saw it or necessary only as Kant saw it understanding is a bridge between contingent truth and necessary truth. “With all thy getting get thee understanding.”
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:17 pm
by Belinda
owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:28 pm
As humans we need more than experiences, we need to analyze and learn from experience. Whether truth is both necessary and contingent, as Hume saw it or necessary only as Kant saw it understanding is a bridge between contingent truth and necessary truth. “With all thy getting get thee understanding.”
But analysing and learning
are experiences
Re: A Transcendental Philosophy of Science?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:44 pm
by owl of Minerva
Anything that is experienced is experience and we need to learn from it and often we do. The author of this article favors the naturalistic framework over Kant’s transcendental noumena. The empirical is often favored over the theoretical. Although the theoretical often kickstarts the empirical. Maybe evolutionary memory plays a role in Kant’s noumena. It is best to keep an open mind.