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TRUE = FALSE


Proof:

Let's suppose that what is TRUE is TRUE:

-> TRUE = TRUE

IF TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE then:

TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE)

If for any TRUE -> TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE) then:

TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE =... (infinity...)

Thus, IF TRUE = TRUE then TRUE never = TRUE so:

TRUE = NOT TRUE

Therefore:

TRUE = FALSE

End of Proof.

And so Frootloop City welcomes another citizen. Anybody remember a time when this used to be a philosophy forum?

alan1000 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:32 pm Anybody remember a time when this used to be a philosophy forum?

Well I can't think of any other kind of forum where you would get away with posting whatever your opening post is supposed to be.

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:26 am TRUE = FALSE

Proof:

Let's suppose that what is TRUE is TRUE:

-> TRUE = TRUE

IF TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE then:

TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE)

If for any TRUE -> TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE) then:

TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE =... (infinity...)

Thus, IF TRUE = TRUE then TRUE never = TRUE so:

TRUE = NOT TRUE

Therefore:

TRUE = FALSE

End of Proof.

I think I understand what you mean.

But perhaps the "=" sign can be misleading.

TRUE to be TRUE needs FALSE to deny it.

The truth, in our worldly being, is only true because it denies any possible falsehood.
And since the possibilities of its falsification are infinite, the truth is never absolute.

bobmax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:39 pm I think I understand what you mean.

You do realise that what you just said is tantamount to admitting you are not right in the head, don't you?

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:44 pm

bobmax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:39 pm I think I understand what you mean.

You do realise that what you just said is tantamount to admitting you are not right in the head, don't you?

It seems to me that you only want to read what you already know.

Besides, dividing the world between stupid and intelligent doesn't do you any good.
Especially if you consider yourself one of the smart ones.

bobmax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:55 pm
Besides, dividing the world between stupid and intelligent doesn't do you any good.
Especially if you consider yourself one of the smart ones.

No, I don't consider myself one of the smart ones. I would just keep my mouth shut if I did.

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:26 am TRUE = FALSE


Proof:

Let's suppose that what is TRUE is TRUE:

-> TRUE = TRUE

IF TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE then:

TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE)

If for any TRUE -> TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE) then:

TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE =... (infinity...)

Thus, IF TRUE = TRUE then TRUE never = TRUE so:

TRUE = NOT TRUE

Therefore:

TRUE = FALSE

End of Proof.

No.

If TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE

-> TRUE + TRUE = TRUE + TRUE

NOT -> TRUE = TRUE + TRUE

true true

true true

true true

damn trains...

-Imp

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:26 am TRUE = FALSE


Proof:

Let's suppose that what is TRUE is TRUE:

-> TRUE = TRUE

IF TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE then:

TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE)

If for any TRUE -> TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE) then:

TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE =... (infinity...)

Thus, IF TRUE = TRUE then TRUE never = TRUE so:

TRUE = NOT TRUE

Therefore:

TRUE = FALSE

End of Proof.

That proof actually make perfect sense, in a dualistic context.

As the word 'true' is meaningless without relating the word with what is isn't, by falsifying it's meaninglessness as an actual meaning as and through it's equal and exact opposite...not true = false.

Why, because there is no such concept known as a not true true. Nor is there is a known concept as a not false false.

Magnolia5275 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 11:26 am TRUE = FALSE


Proof:

Let's suppose that what is TRUE is TRUE:

-> TRUE = TRUE

IF TRUE = TRUE and TRUE = TRUE then:

TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE)

If for any TRUE -> TRUE = (TRUE = TRUE) then:

TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE = (TRUE =... (infinity...)

Thus, IF TRUE = TRUE then TRUE never = TRUE so:

TRUE = NOT TRUE

Therefore:

TRUE = FALSE

End of Proof.

I think I agree, but this is how I am seeing it (correct me if I am wrong):

Because truth necessitates an infinite regress it is not only indefinite but always incomplete thus resulting in falsehood?

Truth is what you experience or what the group agrees about an experience, truth does not lye outside the self

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:07 pm Truth is what you experience or what the group agrees about an experience, truth does not lye outside the self

Then anything beyond human observation requires an observer beyond the human state, as such the universe is self-aware.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:46 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:07 pm Truth is what you experience or what the group agrees about an experience, truth does not lye outside the self

Then anything beyond human observation requires an observer beyond the human state, as such the universe is self-aware.

Anything that is beyond a conscious subject/organism is unknowable, for the physical world and its energies/objects are utterly meaningless in and of themselves. It is the old saying subject and object stand or fall together, meaning if there is no conscious subject there is no apparent reality if there is no apparent reality/physical world, there could be no consciousness. The universe is self-aware through the consciousness of biological life.