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I object to, among other things, the massive
number of assumptions that underlie religions...

just to name a few, that there is a heaven, hell, god,
or that human beings exists within sin or guilt or
by have need of salvation...

for example, the sentence, " human beings can only be saved by
the grace of god"... I count a number of assumptions within that
statement.. that human beings actually need to be saved, need
salvation, that it is only through god we can reach salvation, that
grace is only possible through god....other assumptions of religion
is that the point of existence is to reach heaven and thus have
eternal life...frankly to me, eternal life is a nightmare... who
in their right mind wants to live forever? I most certainly don't...
and this question of salvation, to be saved from what or to what?

From a ''sin'' that occurred long before I was ever born,
how is that even vaguely just, right or fair?
There isn't any standard that would suggest that to be born ''within''
sin has any merit at all?

But Kropotkin, one must have faith.

Why?

Why have faith in concepts that make no sense, are completely irrational,
and have no purpose? Living forever? How is that even desirable?

I would much rather die than living forever... but, living forever, that is just one
more assumption made by the faithful...

Given one minute of thought to religion shows us the
the massive number of assumptions needed to make religion work...
and given those assumptions, I decline the so called ''gift'' of god...
and I would much rather live ''in sin'' and death, than engage
in the massive assumptions of religions..

(which include the assumptions of Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism,
Islam and Christianity)

Kropotkin

"I would much rather live ''in sin'' and death, than engage in the massive assumptions of religions.."

Ya know what I always say. Better to reign with Keter in a philosophy forum than to serve in heaven.

Unless you live in a society that imposes these assumptions on you, and forces you to live your life on the basis of them, what reason do you have to make such a vigorous objection to them?

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:32 pm Unless you live in a society that imposes these assumptions on you, and forces you to live your life on the basis of them, what reason do you have to make such a vigorous objection to them?

K: have you read the papers lately about what is happening in the U.S?
Conservatives are trying to turn America into a ''Christian theocracy"..
and so, I could have easily put this into current events or what is
happening currently politically... It is current and happening right now
news...

Kropotkin