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I don't see answers, I see questions.. from the day we
are born, we are faced with questions...
and these questions are there even if we can't or don't
see them...
''What does it mean to be human?''
''What are my/our possibilities as a human being?''
''What am I to do?''
''What beliefs/values should I/we hold?''
''What can I/we know?''
''What is my/our goal going into the future?''
''What is the point/meaning of all this?''

And it doesn't matter if an answer is possible or not,
the honest inquiry into these questions, the asking of these
questions is more than what most people do their entire life....

the metaphysical question, why is there something instead of
nothing, is nowhere near as interesting to me as the question of
''What does it mean to be human?'' I exist, now what?
The sheer point of existence, which seems to dazzle people,
has less meaning to me than ''why do we exist?''...

I freely admit I have no answers, only questions,
but in looking at the world, just asking questions makes me
an ''more advance'' person... I just don't accept existence as a given,
I want to know what that existence means, both individually
and collectively...

Kropotkin

The answer, clear and unambiguous, will appear when you decide and go to hell.

Hell is not a place in the afterlife, but it is available here and now.
It is a place of the soul.

To go to hell I have to condemn myself.
In fact, only I can judge myself.

And if I seek the Truth, it is almost certain that I will end up condemning myself to hell.

Then everything will have its meaning.

There are only two places where man is safe.
One is heaven, the other hell.

Only there, in fact, is God certain.

bobmax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:01 pm The answer, clear and unambiguous, will appear when you decide and go to hell.

Hell is not a place in the afterlife, but it is available here and now.
It is a place of the soul.

To go to hell I have to condemn myself.
In fact, only I can judge myself.

And if I seek the Truth, it is almost certain that I will end up condemning myself to hell.

Then everything will have its meaning.

There are only two places where man is safe.
One is heaven, the other hell.

Only there, in fact, is God certain.

K: I have seen no evidence of any kind that heaven, hell or god exists...
now what?

Kropotkin

Because seeing anything as a thing is a mental apprehension of perception by a physical sensory organ, then not seeing God is not apprehending the perception of God that is received by the sensory organ.

It's why you can't find Waldo in the picture.

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:11 pm

bobmax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:01 pm The answer, clear and unambiguous, will appear when you decide and go to hell.

Hell is not a place in the afterlife, but it is available here and now.
It is a place of the soul.

To go to hell I have to condemn myself.
In fact, only I can judge myself.

And if I seek the Truth, it is almost certain that I will end up condemning myself to hell.

Then everything will have its meaning.

There are only two places where man is safe.
One is heaven, the other hell.

Only there, in fact, is God certain.

K: I have seen no evidence of any kind that heaven, hell or god exists...
now what?

Kropotkin

Not looking for heaven or hell or God, but looking for the Truth.

And then you will end up having to face the gaze of the Medusa.

And it will be you and you alone who have to come up with what really matters.

Whether God is is up to you.
God needs you to exist.

To be or not to be.

bobmax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:29 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:11 pm

bobmax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:01 pm The answer, clear and unambiguous, will appear when you decide and go to hell.

Hell is not a place in the afterlife, but it is available here and now.
It is a place of the soul.

To go to hell I have to condemn myself.
In fact, only I can judge myself.

And if I seek the Truth, it is almost certain that I will end up condemning myself to hell.

Then everything will have its meaning.

There are only two places where man is safe.
One is heaven, the other hell.

Only there, in fact, is God certain.

K: I have seen no evidence of any kind that heaven, hell or god exists...
now what?

Kropotkin

BM: Not looking for heaven or hell or God, but looking for the Truth.

And then you will end up having to face the gaze of the Medusa.

And it will be you and you alone who have to come up with what really matters.

Whether God is is up to you.
God needs you to exist.

To be or not to be.

K: So, what is the ''truth?''

Kropotkin

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:28 pm Because seeing anything as a thing is a mental apprehension of perception by a physical sensory organ, then not seeing God is not apprehending the perception of God that is received by the sensory organ.

It's why you can't find Waldo in the picture.

K: I got to say, I've read this a dozen times, and it makes no sense to me..
So, what exactly does this mean?

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:48 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:28 pm Because seeing anything as a thing is a mental apprehension of perception by a physical sensory organ, then not seeing God is not apprehending the perception of God that is received by the sensory organ.

It's why you can't find Waldo in the picture.

K: I got to say, I've read this a dozen times, and it makes no sense to me..
So, what exactly does this mean?

Kropotkin

Interesting. Give me a toehold to climb.

(That's a request of you, not an answer to your question.)

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:48 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:28 pm Because seeing anything as a thing is a mental apprehension of perception by a physical sensory organ, then not seeing God is not apprehending the perception of God that is received by the sensory organ.

It's why you can't find Waldo in the picture.

K: I got to say, I've read this a dozen times, and it makes no sense to me..
So, what exactly does this mean?

Kropotkin

Interesting. Give me a toehold to climb.

(That's a request of you, not an answer to your question.)

K: ummm, I am not exactly sure what you are asking of me?

Kropotkin

Toeholds begin the ascent (vertical)*of understanding.
Gimme one.

* Nod to Nick

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:28 pm Because seeing anything as a thing is a mental apprehension of perception by a physical sensory organ, then not seeing God is not apprehending the perception of God that is received by the sensory organ.

It's why you can't find Waldo in the picture.

K: I am asking what this means... no ''toehold'' is really necessary....

Kropotkin

If you want an explanation from me it is.

It's necessary to climb the growing mountain of your ignorance,
and drag along your unapprehending ass.

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:45 pm K: So, what is the ''truth?''

You ask me what the truth is?

Don't you perceive the absurdity of this question?

Only you can answer.

For the simple reason that you are the Truth!

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:25 pm If you want an explanation from me it is.

It's necessary to climb the growing mountain of your ignorance,
and drag along your unapprehending ass.

K: when I was young,, 40 or so years ago, I was pretty sure I knew "everything"..
Now that I am a senior citizen, I realize that I really don't know anything....
the statement, "The older we get, the less we know" is true...
Today, I make no pretensions that I have anything other than questions...
so once again, by what "physical apparatus" are we meant to find "god"
or "waldo" as you wish...

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:11 pm K: I have seen no evidence of any kind that heaven, hell or god exists...
now what?

Indeed, there is no evidence that heaven or hell exists.

However, you are literally surrounded in a vast abundance of, at least, "circumstantial" evidence that something "intelligent" is responsible for the unfathomable order of the universe.

Otherwise, you are defaulting to the utterly absurd notion that it's all the result of the blind and mindless processes of "chance."
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