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Americans have followed dietary guidelines only to fall prey to T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease.

SO why?

And here's the rise in obesity

I don’t take vitamins or supplements and I’m pretty careful about what I eat and because of that, much of the bad stuff is naturally distasteful. Sadly this includes twinkies although the memory shall always be fresh. So the other day I’m tagging along in a big store and find myself gazing at a wall of vitamins. Being somewhat informed, I figured I’d try some B-12. So I took one. Zoom zoom. Then I forgot about it and haven’t taken one since, although I might if I remember when I feel the need to move. The forgetting is not really a forgetting. It’s just a letting go of the thought that like the vitamin, is not really necessary, probably caused by meditation practices that in time become integrated into consciousness, and naturally order attention. With so much nonsense swirling about, or rather, with so much reasoning based on silly premises swirling about the world of news and politics and hearing about the dire state of everything, the ordering is advantageous for clearing a line-of-sight to beauty.

Relevance to your thread? Just, be careful and informed about the outer becoming the inner. The same applies to what goes into the noggin from out there, even for those with broad shoulders and thick reality filters.

I became more conscious of eating long ago when a buddy, a co-worker, would always open up his sandwich at lunch and carefully inspect the contents. I asked him why. He said he once found a live maggot in a burger.

Eat good food, and not much of it.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:25 pm Americans have followed dietary guidelines only to fall prey to T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease.

SO why?

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Additives additives additives, msg.. amongst others, but msg is the main culprit and is added to near everything. Why? I hear you ask.. because it makes a product much cheaper to produce, by enhancing a small amount of flavourings to create a bigger -artificially-enhanced- flavour.
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Is MSG harmful?

While research is far from conclusive, some studies have suggested that consuming MSG may lead to negative health outcomes.

For example, MSG consumption has been linked to obesity, liver damage, blood sugar fluctuations, elevated heart disease risk factors, behavioral problems, nerve damage, and increased inflammation in animal studies (5Trusted Source).

Some human research has demonstrated that consuming MSG may promote weight gain and increase hunger, food intake, and your risk of metabolic syndrome, a group of symptoms that raises your risk of chronic conditions like heart disease and diabetes (3).

MSG is a white, odorless, crystalline powder commonly used as a food additive. In the food industry, it’s known as E621. It dissolves easily in water, separating into sodium and free glutamate (2Trusted Source).

It’s made by fermenting carb sources like sugar beet, sugar cane, and molasses (3Trusted Source).
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-with-msg


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Lectins are culprit no. 2.. very hard to digest for most, and modern varieties of produce have higher lectin-levels than they had decades ago, so reeking have on the digestion and thus the body and organs.
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Are lectins good or bad for you?

Lectins are proteins that bind to carbohydrates. They are present in many plant foods and some animal products.

There’s little research on the effects of different lectins in humans. More research is needed to conclude whether they’re good or bad for human health.

When cooked properly, foods that contain lectins shouldn’t give you any trouble. In fact, a 2015 study found that almost 30% of the food you eat contains lectins.

That said, animal studiesTrusted Source suggest that lectins may be an antinutrient, meaning that they can interfere with how well your body absorbs nutrients from food.

Lectins might also negatively affect people with digestive sensitivities or a tendency to experience gastrointestinal distress.

That’s because lectins may exert several effectsTrusted Source, including interfering with both your gut microbiota and the absorption of nutrients in your gut, decreasing acid secretion, and increasing inflammation.
https://www.healthline.com/health/lectin-free-diet

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I avoid all processed and antinutrient foods, and the minute I digest something not-so.. I get a series of reactions, that cause inflammation etc.

Staying away from those foods, is the best thing that one can do for one’s body, well-being, and mental health.

I think the most likely answer is the massive increase in refined carbs especially sugar, and there are is very good metabolic science to back up that claim.
MSG, although it is a appetizer is not widely used and the main problem is the sodium.
Sugar is made up of glucose and fructose. The only place in the body capable of metabolising fructose is the live and tit immediately turns it into fat because it causes a massive insulin spike.
But flour is almost as bad since it too causes that insulin spike. Insulin switches off the leptin receptor. This makes you hungry whilst at the same time causing the body to store fat in the tissues.
A sweet pastry is the perfect storm. Eat the doughnought and the sweetness of the flour and glucose spikes the insulin causing the feeling of "moorishness", the fructose is turned in to liver fat causing fatty liver disease, and the fats it was fried in, along with any other circulating lipids are deposited in the fats cells. All sugars are soon transformed into fat, the insulin drops with the blood sugar and the body craves more more more.
The other evil of the pastry is that we have all been convinced to stop using lard and tallow, and we have been told that fake oil like Canola and Crisco are "better for you"
This is simply a lie.
Seed oils; corn, soy, rape are transformed from vegetable matter into partially hydrogenated oils in factories. Like getting blood out of a stone, it takes petrochemicals to mash 100 corn cobs to get one table spoon of oil, the process has a massive carbon footprint, and uses industrial solvents like Hexane. There are recently identified serious long term side effects from vegetable oil which tend to give us overdoses of omega -6. Poly unsaturated oils are now know to be damaging to the metabolism.
With the exception of coconut, avocado and olive the other veg oils contain toxic amounts of trans fats.

THe main culprit is ...
... and other refined foods to which sugar has been added as a replacement for fat, and substance such as pasta, rice and cheap bread which also cause the insulin to spike.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:30 pm And here's the rise in obesity

obesity rise.JPG

Coincidence, maybe? A lot of Americans don't follow dietary guidelines. Also, I think exercise is something we don't get as much of as we did before the days of the personal computer.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:11 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:30 pm And here's the rise in obesity

obesity rise.JPG

Coincidence, maybe? A lot of Americans don't follow dietary guidelines. Also, I think exercise is something we don't get as much of as we did before the days of the personal computer.

Actually the data shows that the purchases of meat, meat fats, have all gone down, whilst the purchase of vegetable products have increased. This has also included an increase in oils made in factories from Soya, corn, cottonseed and rape seed. These have led to the increase in the (now vilified) trans fats in the diet.
As time has progressed big foods businesses have replaced fats for more sugar, improving their profits.
These changes are in step is the epidemic in T2D, obesity and ALzeimers which are fast becoming associated with low fat diets which include grains, especially wheat grains and so-called healthy fats.
There are now identified metabolic pathways to further implicate factory made fats and refined grains and sugars.

I've been looking into these issues this year. Here is my reading list
2020, Taubes, Gary, The Case for Keto, Granta
2010, Taubes, Gary, Why We Get Fat, Anchor
2020, Macciochi, J., Immunity; the science of staying well, Experiment Pub.
2021, Lustig, Robert, Metabolical, Hodder & Stoughton
2013, Lustig, Robert, Fat Chance, Harper Collins.
2021, Specter, Tim, Spoon Fed,Vintage Books.
2021, Chatterje, Rangan, The Four Pillar Plan, Penguin.
2016, Fung, J, The Complete Guide To Fasting, Victory Belt Publishing.
2022 Johnson, Richard, Nature Wants Us to Be Fat, BenBella Books
2014 Permutter, Dr David, Grain Brain, Hodder & Stoughton.
2014, Teicholz, Nina, The Big Fat Surprise, Simon & Schuster.

And as you can see guidlines have been followed

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:14 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:11 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:30 pm And here's the rise in obesity

obesity rise.JPG

Coincidence, maybe? A lot of Americans don't follow dietary guidelines. Also, I think exercise is something we don't get as much of as we did before the days of the personal computer.

Actually the data shows that the purchases of meat, meat fats, have all gone down, whilst the purchase of vegetable products have increased. This has also included an increase in oils made in factories from Soya, corn, cottonseed and rape seed. These have led to the increase in the (now vilified) trans fats in the diet.
As time has progressed big foods businesses have replaced fats for more sugar, improving their profits.
These changes are in step is the epidemic in T2D, obesity and ALzeimers which are fast becoming associated with low fat diets which include grains, especially wheat grains and so-called healthy fats.
There are now identified metabolic pathways to further implicate factory made fats and refined grains and sugars.

I've been looking into these issues this year. Here is my reading list
2020, Taubes, Gary, The Case for Keto, Granta
2010, Taubes, Gary, Why We Get Fat, Anchor
2020, Macciochi, J., Immunity; the science of staying well, Experiment Pub.
2021, Lustig, Robert, Metabolical, Hodder & Stoughton
2013, Lustig, Robert, Fat Chance, Harper Collins.
2021, Specter, Tim, Spoon Fed,Vintage Books.
2021, Chatterje, Rangan, The Four Pillar Plan, Penguin.
2016, Fung, J, The Complete Guide To Fasting, Victory Belt Publishing.
2022 Johnson, Richard, Nature Wants Us to Be Fat, BenBella Books
2014 Permutter, Dr David, Grain Brain, Hodder & Stoughton.
2014, Teicholz, Nina, The Big Fat Surprise, Simon & Schuster.

And as you can see guidlines have been followed

guidlines.JPG

Isn't it misleading point to that graph and claim that "guidelines have been followed"? All that graph actually shows is an increase in consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables, grains and vegetable oils and a decrease in consumption of whole milk. It doesn't necessarily follow that all guidelines for eating a heathy diet have been followed. It doesn't necessarily follow that most Americans are eating a healthy diet. From what I can tell, most Americans continue to eat an unhealthy diet.

Also what's your source for that graph? In what context was it given?

As a matter of curiosity, why did you place this under "Political Philosophy"?

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:53 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:14 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 8:11 am

Coincidence, maybe? A lot of Americans don't follow dietary guidelines. Also, I think exercise is something we don't get as much of as we did before the days of the personal computer.

Actually the data shows that the purchases of meat, meat fats, have all gone down, whilst the purchase of vegetable products have increased. This has also included an increase in oils made in factories from Soya, corn, cottonseed and rape seed. These have led to the increase in the (now vilified) trans fats in the diet.
As time has progressed big foods businesses have replaced fats for more sugar, improving their profits.
These changes are in step is the epidemic in T2D, obesity and ALzeimers which are fast becoming associated with low fat diets which include grains, especially wheat grains and so-called healthy fats.
There are now identified metabolic pathways to further implicate factory made fats and refined grains and sugars.

I've been looking into these issues this year. Here is my reading list
2020, Taubes, Gary, The Case for Keto, Granta
2010, Taubes, Gary, Why We Get Fat, Anchor
2020, Macciochi, J., Immunity; the science of staying well, Experiment Pub.
2021, Lustig, Robert, Metabolical, Hodder & Stoughton
2013, Lustig, Robert, Fat Chance, Harper Collins.
2021, Specter, Tim, Spoon Fed,Vintage Books.
2021, Chatterje, Rangan, The Four Pillar Plan, Penguin.
2016, Fung, J, The Complete Guide To Fasting, Victory Belt Publishing.
2022 Johnson, Richard, Nature Wants Us to Be Fat, BenBella Books
2014 Permutter, Dr David, Grain Brain, Hodder & Stoughton.
2014, Teicholz, Nina, The Big Fat Surprise, Simon & Schuster.

And as you can see guidlines have been followed

guidlines.JPG

Isn't it misleading point to that graph and claim that "guidelines have been followed"? All that graph actually shows is an increase in consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables, grains and vegetable oils and a decrease in consumption of whole milk. It doesn't necessarily follow that all guidelines for eating a heathy diet have been followed. It doesn't necessarily follow that most Americans are eating a healthy diet. From what I can tell, most Americans continue to eat an unhealthy diet.

Also what's your source for that graph? In what context was it given?

As a matter of curiosity, why did you place this under "Political Philosophy"?

Gosh you mean a graph which shows that all the items recommended that we eat more of increases and all the items recommended we eat less of we eat less of does not mean we took the advice??

The guidelines are given by government agencies and their choice was political.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:18 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:53 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 11:14 am

Actually the data shows that the purchases of meat, meat fats, have all gone down, whilst the purchase of vegetable products have increased. This has also included an increase in oils made in factories from Soya, corn, cottonseed and rape seed. These have led to the increase in the (now vilified) trans fats in the diet.
As time has progressed big foods businesses have replaced fats for more sugar, improving their profits.
These changes are in step is the epidemic in T2D, obesity and ALzeimers which are fast becoming associated with low fat diets which include grains, especially wheat grains and so-called healthy fats.
There are now identified metabolic pathways to further implicate factory made fats and refined grains and sugars.

I've been looking into these issues this year. Here is my reading list
2020, Taubes, Gary, The Case for Keto, Granta
2010, Taubes, Gary, Why We Get Fat, Anchor
2020, Macciochi, J., Immunity; the science of staying well, Experiment Pub.
2021, Lustig, Robert, Metabolical, Hodder & Stoughton
2013, Lustig, Robert, Fat Chance, Harper Collins.
2021, Specter, Tim, Spoon Fed,Vintage Books.
2021, Chatterje, Rangan, The Four Pillar Plan, Penguin.
2016, Fung, J, The Complete Guide To Fasting, Victory Belt Publishing.
2022 Johnson, Richard, Nature Wants Us to Be Fat, BenBella Books
2014 Permutter, Dr David, Grain Brain, Hodder & Stoughton.
2014, Teicholz, Nina, The Big Fat Surprise, Simon & Schuster.

And as you can see guidlines have been followed

guidlines.JPG

Isn't it misleading point to that graph and claim that "guidelines have been followed"? All that graph actually shows is an increase in consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables, grains and vegetable oils and a decrease in consumption of whole milk. It doesn't necessarily follow that all guidelines for eating a heathy diet have been followed. It doesn't necessarily follow that most Americans are eating a healthy diet. From what I can tell, most Americans continue to eat an unhealthy diet.

Also what's your source for that graph? In what context was it given?

As a matter of curiosity, why did you place this under "Political Philosophy"?

Gosh you mean a graph which shows that all the items recommended that we eat more of increases and all the items recommended we eat less of we eat less of does not mean we took the advice??

The guidelines are given by government agencies and their choice was political.

Telling that you refused to divulge the source and context of the graph.

No doubt those with a simplistic understanding of statistics and the guidelines and believe that the graph shows ALL the pertinent considerations are largely the same ones who continue to eat an unhealthy diet and subsequently suffer from T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease. Never mind things such as caloric intake, saturated fats, trans fats, cholesterol, added sugars etc.

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:08 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:18 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:53 pm


Isn't it misleading point to that graph and claim that "guidelines have been followed"? All that graph actually shows is an increase in consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables, grains and vegetable oils and a decrease in consumption of whole milk. It doesn't necessarily follow that all guidelines for eating a heathy diet have been followed. It doesn't necessarily follow that most Americans are eating a healthy diet. From what I can tell, most Americans continue to eat an unhealthy diet.

Also what's your source for that graph? In what context was it given?

As a matter of curiosity, why did you place this under "Political Philosophy"?

Gosh you mean a graph which shows that all the items recommended that we eat more of increases and all the items recommended we eat less of we eat less of does not mean we took the advice??

The guidelines are given by government agencies and their choice was political.

Telling that you refused to divulge the source and context of the graph.

No doubt those with a simplistic understanding of statistics and the guidelines and believe that the graph shows ALL the pertinent considerations are largely the same ones who continue to eat an unhealthy diet and subsequently suffer from T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease. Never mind things such as caloric intake, saturated fats, trans fats, cholesterol, added sugars etc.

Please cite!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:17 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:08 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:18 pm

Gosh you mean a graph which shows that all the items recommended that we eat more of increases and all the items recommended we eat less of we eat less of does not mean we took the advice??

The guidelines are given by government agencies and their choice was political.

Telling that you refused to divulge the source and context of the graph.

No doubt those with a simplistic understanding of statistics and the guidelines and believe that the graph shows ALL the pertinent considerations are largely the same ones who continue to eat an unhealthy diet and subsequently suffer from T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease. Never mind things such as caloric intake, saturated fats, trans fats, cholesterol, added sugars etc.

Please cite!

Please cite what?

You know, that request is really rich coming from you seeing as you refuse to cite the source of your graph and its context.

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:11 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:17 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:08 am

Telling that you refused to divulge the source and context of the graph.

No doubt those with a simplistic understanding of statistics and the guidelines and believe that the graph shows ALL the pertinent considerations are largely the same ones who continue to eat an unhealthy diet and subsequently suffer from T2 Diabetes, obesity and heart disease. Never mind things such as caloric intake, saturated fats, trans fats, cholesterol, added sugars etc.

Please cite!

Please cite what?

You know, that request is really rich coming from you seeing as you refuse to cite the source of your graph and its context.

I've given you a comprehensive reading list.
You have offered nothing but personal opinion and speculation.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:29 am

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:11 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:17 pm

Please cite!

Please cite what?

You know, that request is really rich coming from you seeing as you refuse to cite the source of your graph and its context.

I've given you a comprehensive reading list.
You have offered nothing but personal opinion and speculation.

And you continue to cite the source of your graph and its context. Listing a dozen or so what look like "self-help" book titles isn't the same as citing the the source and context of that particular graph. One would have to be extremely disingenuous to to claim that they have. What's more, are you really so naive so as to not understand that a high percentage of "self-help" books are nothing more than "personal opinion and speculation". They often base their "personal opinion and speculation" by publishing misleading information so as to dupe those with simplistic views. As such you've only offered your "personal opinion and speculation" based on their "personal opinion and speculation". Everyone who understands statistics and is familiar with the guidelines can only laugh and shake their heads at the type of "personal opinion and speculation" that you've presented on this thread.