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Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm As my last post on this forum (I'm quitting philosophy forums), I'll show you guys a few initial steps one may take in search for the "truth", after covering some of the basics. The "truth", the "answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", the answer to "why are we here"?

We use probabilities and we use Occam's razor. Hypotheses that have a low chance of being correct, are discarded.

What has been used by 'you', has OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKED. So, WHY NOT just 'discard' absolutely EVERY thing that is NOT correct, and ONLY LOOK AT and EXPRESS what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True and Correct ONLY?

Or, is that just too hard and too complex for some of you?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Some basics are obvious like Eastern nondualism. Most or all of you currently on this forum don't seem to have made it to nondualism yet, so keep working on that. Awakening to our true nature, throwing out most of Western philosophy all the way back to Plato, that kind of thing.

LOL Do we have here ANOTHER EXAMPLE of ANOTHER one of 'you', adult human beings, who BELIEVES 'it' HAS and KNOWS ALL the answers?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Another obvious basic is: the world may not be inherently good.

What do you even mean by 'the world'? AND, how, EXACTLY, could there even be an 'inherently good' in 'that thing', whaterever you are meaning or referring to here?

YOUR 'basic' "atla" is SO 'basic' that 'it' is NOT even comprehensible, well so far and at the moment.

Are you even ABLE TO 'elaborate' on HOW 'the world' could even be 'inherently good'? Or, will you FINALLY PROVE, ONCE and for ALL, what I have been SAYING and CLAIMING ALL along. That is; you continually FAIL to explain and/or back up and support YOUR CLAIMS here?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Another obvious basic is: the fine-tuning problem is real, our universe is unfathomably unlikely, we'll be using this a lot below.

1. What so-called 'fine-tuning problem' 'is real'? (Do you even know what the word 'problem' means and refers to, EXACTLY?)

2. WHY do 'you' PERSIST SAYING and CLAIMING that 'the Universe' is 'your Universe'? (This is just ANOTHER example of the adult human being BELIEVING that it is somehow superior in Life, among other things.)

3. What is 'the Universe' so-called 'unfathomably unlikely' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY? (What thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY, in relation to 'thee Universe', Itself, is ALREADY KNOWN. Well by some of us anyway).

4. 'you' will be using a lot of 'what', EXACTLY?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm A less obvious basic is: that the "truth" may only have to do more directly with one or a few humans (I opened a topic about this on another forum).

1. What does, "The "truth" may only have to do more directly with one or a few humans", even mean or is referring to, EXACTLY?

2. Who cares what topic you opened in ANOTHER FORUM? Or, are 'we' supposed to GUESS or IMAGINE what FORUM that is, EXACTLY, and then go LOOKING for 'it'? WHY inform 'us' of some thing that is SO TRIVIAL and OBSCURE?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Plus a few more basics are recommended, like having an overview of all relevant science, having pondered QM for years and realized why all current interpretations fail, having a good insight into human psychology, especially clinical psyhcology and unusual states of mind.

Yes, we do have here ANOTHER one who BELIEVES that 'it' is ABOVE ALL "others".

And, more laughably, this one makes these, OBVIOUSLY, False CLAIMS and LIES in what 'it' ALSO CLAIMS will be 'its' LAST POST here in this forum.

I wonder what is MORE ABSURD and RIDICULOUS:

1. Just making these CLAIMS to begin with? Or,

2. Making them, and then RUNNING AWAY so that 'it' could NEVER be QUESTIONED NOR CHALLENGED over these False CLAIMS and LIES?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Ok, so the first four steps after covering some of the basics:

1. God did it

As we all know there is no evidence for God, this idea is probably wrong.

LOL Just how SHALLOW and NARROWED some adult human beings REALLY WERE, (back in those 'olden days').

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm 2. Random chance

So the standard atheist reply was that the world is Godless, it simply happened by random chance.
Our universe, stable and all, with intelligent life in it, has a probability of, say 1 in 100^100^100 (probably much more improbable, but this example will do).

So, this one MAKES UP some figure, but then STATES that this figure is "probably much more improbable" anyway, while ALSO CLAIMING that "it will do".

The ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS here, speaks for itself.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm So this explanation has a 1 in 100^100^100 probability of being correct, so it's probably wrong too, next.

LOL NO more needs to be said here.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm 3. God again (or we live in a simulation etc.)

So the reply was that such an unlikely thing could only have been created intentionally. God, simulation etc.
Unfortunately a God or simulator with such capabilities is even more unlikely, say 1 in 100^100^100^100. This explanation is probably even more wrong, next.

'you' sound like "veritas aequitas" now. That is; you BOTH BELIEVE some thing is true, and then MAKE UP and PRESENT some figure amount, as though using "maths" or more correctly just presenting some number figure will then, laughably, make what either of you CLAIM MORE TRUE.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm 4. Multiverse

So some people finally conceded that in order for our existence to be probable, probably infinite possibilities have to be assumed. There, the probability of our existence is 100%. In fact everything occurs infinitely many times, including us.
Unfortunately, what they have forgotten is that even within infinite possibilities, the probability that existence is somehow "centered" on us is still only 1 in 100^100^100.

One of the REASONS WHY some of 'you', human beings, think or BELIEVE that 'the Universe' is somehow 'centered' around 'you' is BECAUSE some of 'you' USE absolutely ABSURD and ILLOGICAL terms like 'our universe'.

As I have continually SAID and STATED to be ABLE to SEE what thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY, starts WITH speaking thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth, ONLY.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Yes, these thoughts can only occur in this world, but all the other worlds also objectively exist, so why this world, here, now, anyway?

'What' OTHER 'worlds' do 'you' IMAGINE there are "atla"?

'What' 'world' do you live in, WHERE you IMAGINE that are, laughably, "OTHER worlds"?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Still unfathomably improbable, next.

Speak and IMAGINE ABSURDITY, then I guess we HAVE TO 'move on'.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm 5. So after all the warm-up above, we finally made it to the starting line, to the interesting part of philosophy.

Just because 'you' became MORE LOST and CONFUSED does NOT mean that 'we' have.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN above, this one ASSUMES or BELIEVES that 'its (OWN) universe' BEGAN. Which EXPLAINS WHY, from the very start, it was going to end up NOWHERE.

That is; START from a False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect PREMISE or ASSUMPTION, and one will end up with a False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect CONCLUSION. As SHOWN in a GREAT example above here.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Infinite possibilities are necessary, but that's just the framework in which to think in (also, the idea of separate universes within the multiverse should be thrown out).

Considering the Fact of what the word 'Universe' once meant, IMAGINING that there could be more than One Universe is just STUPID and FOOLISH to say the least.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm So, what is it in the world of infinite possibilities, that would somehow be a centeredness to here, now? Why the human form? Why are we here, what is going on? What is the "truth"?

ALL of these have ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, as well as being PROVED True, by ALL answers FITTING IN to and with ONE Grand Unified (Theory) Of Everything, which was DEMONSTRABLE, and because It was NOT able to be Falsified, consequently become thee IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things'.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm We continue to use probabilities and Occam's razor.

'you' can do whatever 'you' like "atla", but let us NOT FORGET 'you' are ALSO RUNNING AWAY from this here now.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm I think it becomes obvious pretty fast that there is no answer in 4 dimensions, so we have to think in at least 5-7 dimensions, and that's the HARD part.

It is ONLY 'hard' BECAUSE of the EXTREMELY NARROWED and SHORT OF FIELD views 'you' OBVIOUSLY HAVE here.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm I haven't been able to find the solution yet, although I think I might be getting somewhat closer.

One NEEDS to EXPRESS the so-called 'problem' OPENLY, FIRST, in order to be ABLE TO FIND and SEE the 'solution', NEXT.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:59 pm Will keep trying, you try too, if you like.

Take care!

Thee 'solution' to ALL of 'human being's' MADE UP 'problems' has ALREADY been EXPRESSED within this forum. Some of 'you', however, were TO CLOSED and/or TO BLIND to SEE and RECOGNIZE 'this solution', which has ALREADY been PROVIDED and GIVEN here.