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There’s just nothing being everything being nothing.

Everything is an appearance of empty fullness.

There’s nothing to understand because there is nothing understanding.

There is nothing to know because there is nothing knowing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:28 pm There’s just nothing being everything being nothing.

Everything is an appearance of empty fullness.

There’s nothing to understand because there is nothing understanding.

There is nothing to know because there is nothing knowing.

Your words are nothing but poetic license.
I am able to see myself and know myself.

If the headline here were true, then this would MEAN that there is NO 'self-aware' being/thing, NO 'self-awareness', and NO one who is 'self-aware'.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:03 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:28 pm There’s just nothing being everything being nothing.

Everything is an appearance of empty fullness.

There’s nothing to understand because there is nothing understanding.

There is nothing to know because there is nothing knowing.

Your words are nothing but poetic license.
I am able to see myself and know myself.

All 'words' / concepts arise from no thing to no one. As and when 'words' arise from no thing, they are known in the exact same instance by the no thing from where they arise.


Knowing implies there is 'some thing' to know / separate from the knowing.
Seeing implies there is 'something' to see / separate from the seeing.

But here,there is No thing known separate from the knowing - Here, there is No thing seen separate from the seeing.

Knowing and Seeing are the same ONE.

The seer cannot see the seer, no more than what is 'seen' can look at itself...there is only seeing.
The knower cannot know the knower, no more than what is 'known' can know itself...there is only knowing.






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Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:19 am If the headline here were true, then this would MEAN that there is NO 'self-aware' being/thing, NO 'self-awareness', and NO one who is 'self-aware'.

The headline is correct and true.

Any thing known or seen can only exist as a concept.

The knower and seer of concepts is no thing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:19 am If the headline here were true, then this would MEAN that there is NO 'self-aware' being/thing, NO 'self-awareness', and NO one who is 'self-aware'.

The headline is correct and true.

BUT 'I' can SEE, and UNDERSTAND, thy Self. Therefore, 'I' ALSO KNOW thy Self.

SO, WHY do 'you' even bother 'trying to' tell "another" what they can or can NOT do?

As ALREADY PROVED True, 'you' are just Wrong and Incorrect here, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE if 'you' keep making this SAME ABSURD and OBVIOUSLY False CLAIM here.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:24 am Any thing known or seen can only exist as a concept.

The knower and seer of concepts is no thing.

So, supposedly, NO thing can KNOW nor SEE what the knower and seer of concepts is, but, remarkably, the one known as "dontaskme", supposedly, DOES KNOW what the knower and seer of 'concepts' IS, EXACTLY.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:41 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:19 am If the headline here were true, then this would MEAN that there is NO 'self-aware' being/thing, NO 'self-awareness', and NO one who is 'self-aware'.

The headline is correct and true.

BUT 'I' can SEE, and UNDERSTAND, thy Self. Therefore, 'I' ALSO KNOW thy Self.

SO, WHY do 'you' even bother 'trying to' tell "another" what they can or can NOT do?

As ALREADY PROVED True, 'you' are just Wrong and Incorrect here, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE if 'you' keep making this SAME ABSURD and OBVIOUSLY False CLAIM here.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:24 am Any thing known or seen can only exist as a concept.

The knower and seer of concepts is no thing.

So, supposedly, NO thing can KNOW nor SEE what the knower and seer of concepts is, but, remarkably, the one known as "dontaskme", supposedly, DOES KNOW what the knower and seer of 'concepts' IS, EXACTLY.

Dontaskme is a concept known...known not by the concept, but by the knower of the concept, which is no thing.

The OP is true and correct.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:41 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:41 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:35 am

The headline is correct and true.

BUT 'I' can SEE, and UNDERSTAND, thy Self. Therefore, 'I' ALSO KNOW thy Self.

SO, WHY do 'you' even bother 'trying to' tell "another" what they can or can NOT do?

As ALREADY PROVED True, 'you' are just Wrong and Incorrect here, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE if 'you' keep making this SAME ABSURD and OBVIOUSLY False CLAIM here.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:24 am Any thing known or seen can only exist as a concept.

The knower and seer of concepts is no thing.

So, supposedly, NO thing can KNOW nor SEE what the knower and seer of concepts is, but, remarkably, the one known as "dontaskme", supposedly, DOES KNOW what the knower and seer of 'concepts' IS, EXACTLY.

Dontaskme is a concept known...known not by the concept, but by the knower of the concept, which is no thing.

The OP is true and correct.

The opening post may well be true and correct to NO thing, but to some human beings the opening post is illogical, absurd, and just plain old false and incorrect. As stated in the opening post, if there is nothing to know, because there is nothing knowing, then the one CLAIMING this is NOTHING and NO thing.

So, what human beings KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, far OUTWEIGHS the CLAIMS made by NO thing AT ALL. This is because there is NOTHING and NO thing that can make CLAIMS. As KNOWN by some human beings, that is; if they follow the MEANT TO BE "logic" in the opening post.

All words are qualifications and/or limitations.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:28 pm There’s just nothing being everything being nothing.

Everything is an appearance of empty fullness.

There’s nothing to understand because there is nothing understanding.

There is nothing to know because there is nothing knowing.

Are there nurses around to give you a bib?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 am

The opening post may well be true and correct to NO thing, but to some human beings the opening post is illogical, absurd, and just plain old false and incorrect.

The understanding of the concepts in brackets are known [humans] [illogical] [absurd] [plain old false and incorrect] is understood by no thing....because things are conceptually known as objects, and objects reality other than an idea in no thing. This no thing known conceptually as AWARENESS.

The OP is true and correct...and No thing is making that claim. And no thing is refuting the claim that no thing is making. There's just what's happening.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 am As stated in the opening post, if there is nothing to know, because there is nothing knowing, then the one CLAIMING this is NOTHING and NO thing.

Yes, that is correct, that is what these words are pointing to.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 amSo, what human beings KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, far OUTWEIGHS the CLAIMS made by NO thing AT ALL. This is because there is NOTHING and NO thing that can make CLAIMS. As KNOWN by some human beings, that is; if they follow the MEANT TO BE "logic" in the opening post.

Human beings know nothing...human beings are known, only as a concept...by no thing.

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:47 am
Are there nurses around to give you a bib?

The nondual truth is hard to hear. It's not for all ears. But it matters not, because there is ONLY what is happening, and no force on earth could ever undo what is happening, because no thing is happening.

This is much too simple and ordinary. . just try side stepping away once in a while, save the danger of you blocking out the sun.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:34 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 am

The opening post may well be true and correct to NO thing, but to some human beings the opening post is illogical, absurd, and just plain old false and incorrect.

The understanding of the concepts in brackets are known [humans] [illogical] [absurd] [plain old false and incorrect] is understood by no thing....because things are conceptually known as objects, and objects reality other than an idea in no thing. This no thing known conceptually as AWARENESS.

The OP is true and correct...and No thing is making that claim. And no thing is refuting the claim that no thing is making. There's just what's happening.

How is the 'thing', known as 'no thing' here, conceived by the 'thing' known as "dontaskme" here?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:34 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 am As stated in the opening post, if there is nothing to know, because there is nothing knowing, then the one CLAIMING this is NOTHING and NO thing.

Yes, that is correct, that is what these words are pointing to.

But HOW can ANY 'thing' point to NO 'thing'.

'No thing' usually refers to NOTHING, which MEANS there is, literally, NOTHING to even point to, or even point at. So, WHY is the 'thing' known here as "dontaskme" continually using words to 'try to' point to 'that', which 'you' have been saying is NOT even 'there'? Or, do 'you' want to now CLAIM that, actually, there is 'some thing', and 'that thing' is 'no thing'?

If you want to use words to point to 'that', then just SAY what 'that thing' IS, EXACTLY, instead of SAYING and CLAIMING that 'that thing' is NOTHING, then do NOT be to surprised if NO one else, besides 'you' understands 'you', and can SEE what 'you' SAY and CLAIMING is NO 'thing'.

See, what 'we' SEE and UNDERSTAND are the 'things' known as human beings CAN and DO SEE "themselves" as well as, somewhat, KNOW "themselves". Although, in the days when this was being written, NOT very accurately I will add. However, at least they can 'point to', roughly, the 'things' that can SEE and KNOW "themselves". Whereas, 'you' and the words 'you' use are, literally, 'pointing to' absolutely NOTHING AT ALL. Which, OBVIOUSLY, can NOT do absolutely ANY thing AT ALL, except, OF COURSE, separate 'matter', from 'itself'.

Oh, and by the way, just because 'you' can NOT YET SEE and KNOW 'itself' NOR thy 'Self', this is NO WAY MEANS that "others" can NOT.

This just means 'you', "dontaskme", STILL have some MORE SEE, LEARNING, KNOWING, and UNDERSTANDING to do.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:34 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:29 amSo, what human beings KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, far OUTWEIGHS the CLAIMS made by NO thing AT ALL. This is because there is NOTHING and NO thing that can make CLAIMS. As KNOWN by some human beings, that is; if they follow the MEANT TO BE "logic" in the opening post.

Human beings know nothing...human beings are known, only as a concept...by no thing.

So, to the one known here as "dontaskme", a 'human being' can NOT KNOW pain, NOR suffering, correct?

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:26 am All words are qualifications and/or limitations.

Limitations of 'what', EXACTLY?

I would suggest when LOOKED AT FULLY, absolutely EVERY thing has been named or labelled by words. Unless, of course, you can SHOW otherwise. Can you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:40 am

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:47 am
Are there nurses around to give you a bib?

The nondual truth is hard to hear. It's not for all ears.

But there are NO ears in 'nondual truth' correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:40 am But it matters not, because there is ONLY what is happening, and no force on earth could ever undo what is happening, because no thing is happening.

What does the term 'no thing' even mean or refer to, to the one known here as "dontaskme"?

What is 'no thing is happening', even in relation to, EXACTLY?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:40 am This is much too simple and ordinary. . just try side stepping away once in a while, save the danger of you blocking out the sun.