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Either:-
1. God is divine and constructs our reality in real-time.

2. 'God' is A.I. - Artificial Intelligence - that we have evolved into a simulation (see simulation hypothesis) ..again, our reality is constructed in real-time.
NB. The reason we would evolve into a simulation is to conserve resources as entropy increases.

3. but, then it could also be this:- God is a combination of the above.

attofishpi wrote:

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pm

iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:57 pm Again, the only reason you are able to assert that here is because you merely assume that this objective morality is derived from a Christian God that you basically refuse to take here...

1] to a demonstrable proof of the existence your God or religious/spiritual path
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:21 pmI know the above was not directed my way, but allow me to have a crack.

1] to a demonstrable proof of the existence your God or religious/spiritual path

Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God'
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Define "demonstrable"?

You define it.

Well, the dictionary works for me: "clearly apparent or capable of being logically proved."[/quote]

By logically proved, we can accept PROVED beyond a reasonable doubt then, right?
As in here:-
Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God'
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pmNow, let's go back to the distinction I made with IC. How it seems clearly apparent that the Pope does in fact reside in the Vatican. And how using the English language, the sentence "Pope Francis resides in the Vatican when in fact he is at the Vatican" is a rational, epistemologically sound statement.

Unless, of course, in the interim he has died.

This as opposed to others arguing that it is clearly apparent that their own God resides in the equivalent of Heaven and that it is epistemologically sound to argue that their own God does in fact exist.

Well. I am not sure Y I should care about where the Pope is or what IC thinks. We need to draw a definition here, do you accept Christ (if indeed he exists) is God incarnate in human form?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:21 pm 2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are
championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?

To know God is via Christ - a bloke that went to his death stating he is the path - seems a likely place to start.

Tell that to all the folks on these paths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

Why would I tell that to them - in the past 2000 years at some point in their past life they would have had the chance to discover God via the one man worth.Y of the path.
Clearly they saw no worth in Christ and reincarnated according to their beliefs. Many these days reincarnate into atheist upbringing - it's just a choice one makes in ones current life. Clearly these people are not TRULY interested in the love of wisdom.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pmAnd what of the souls of those millions upon millions of men and women who lived and died before Christ.

So what?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pmAnd what of the souls of those millions upon millions who never came into contact with Christianity at all after he was alleged to be around? Do they all get a Get out of Hell free card?

Hang on, are you of the opinion that one goes to Hell, simply because they did not believe in Christ and his actions?
..as far as anyone that never came into contact with what Christ taught - through their reincarnations through time, perhaps they simply were not worth.Y of that path.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pmAnd what of those millions upon millions folks in alll the other denominations who will be quick to point out that you are damned for not being on their One True Path.

What do you mean by "damned"? - Damned pissed off they missed out on the truth to heaven?

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pmMight I advise that for once in your life you actually think this through in depth?

Ok. I will try my best...but just for you and your insistence.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:21 pm 3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths

What do you mean?

No, in my view, I would be completely wasting my time with you. In fact, join the other True Believers over at ILP. You'll fit right in.

Believers of what? I tend to NOT fit in with mere theists if that is what you are implying.

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:53 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:21 pm 4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path

Wo/men can be evil. God can also be evil, where required. Per my experience of this entity - it is very hard to <Live> when God does <eviL> to you.

Well, for some, given the existence of a God, the God, His Evil makes Him nothing short of a sadistic monster.

Indeed, that's why those like Harold Kushner felt compelled to suggest that, given the world as it is, the God of Abraham is simply not omnipotent. He created it all but it got beyond His control.

God is more 'potent' to this reality than even most theists could comprehend. I have been a victim of the evil side, sadistic monster? mmm.

You really are not thinking particularly deep about this entity R U? In fact, few do.

What makes YOU consider God a "sadistic monster"?

iambiguous wrote:How are posters like this to be explained at a forum derived from Philosophy Now magazine?!

I guess they just Google "religion and philosophy" and PN pops up as a place to go. After all, for some here, religion and philosophy are clearly the same thing.

It's a truly sad commentary on the internet I suppose.

Unless of course I'm wrong.

..ah come on. To think that you consider that over 10 years ago, the likes of me bothered to type into google "religion and philosophy"...and herein I have spent those years, EVANGELISING!!! ..someone somewhere is laughing their arse off.

The internet! In our Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, TicTok world!!

Why should we expect philosophy to be any different?

Well, I am glad that I have satisified your desire to have the below answered, dismissing any doubts in God's existence. Amazing how long you have been banging on with these 4 points with your ILP theists (for how many years?) and so came to PHN and had to deal with the fund.a.mentalists here.

1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God or religious/spiritual path
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path

I presume you have returned to once again being a theist, good for you. Of course, the next step is gaining gnosis, such that all doubt is removed.