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There are multiple alternative views in existence concerning gender philosophy.

In my opinion, there are at least three (and probably even more) opposing ideologies in this domain:

(1) Feminism. This is the pillar of the overall ideology of the West (along with climate change and a few other less important ideologies).
(2) Traditionalism. This is what religion teaches about gender.
(3) Manosphere. This is the relatively small but fast growing opposition of men in the West against feminism.

In the West, governments, academia, corporations, mainstream and social media, and the school system staunchly support feminism. They also rigorously impose censorship onto alternatives. Expressing alternative views could get the person fired, expelled, or banned. For example, Youtube and Reddit systematically shut down manosphere channels and subcommunities. In fact, I suspect that the wrong comment supporting traditionalism or manosphere could also get you banned in this philosophy forum.

While at least 80% of the world population is traditionalist, international organizations such as United Nations, World Bank and IMF systematically try to impose feminism onto traditionalist foreign countries. It will not destroy traditionalism and especially not traditional religion. Instead, these international institutions will rather destroy themselves.

The West supports Ukraine.

That is almost surely the reason why the 80% of the globe that is traditionalist increasingly sympathizes with the Russian Federation (while also sympathizing with the plight of the Ukranian people).

In my opinion, censorship in the West will continue to lead to internal chaos. At a global level, it will clearly become an important factor in future global conflicts. Traditionalist countries will increasingly seek to draw the Russian card, now that it has become available. In my opinion, if they play their cards right, the Russian Federation will turn into the alternative that the 80% of the world that is traditionalist has been waiting for and therefore stands a good chance of replacing the USA as the world's most dominant superpower.

Feminism is just the hyperbolic expression of new social dynamics made possible by the industrial revolution. Specifically the creation of workable alternatives to the nuclear family unit system that naturally evolved. Polygamy gave way to monogamy when property inheritance became the modus operandi of the bourgeois land owners and law makers who were most likely Protestant.

Anyway feminism is made possible by the best of the genuine principles of a real meritocracy that rewards physical and intellectual ability to anyone, regardless and independent of, any existing conventions in society that dictate how women should be, what they should do and get, etc.

Those existing conventions could be stalling some kind of revolution of social awareness that ends up advancing humanity, for all you know.

Traditionalists and perennial conservatives are all restrictions to the free evolutionary movement of an intelligent social species.

You just gotta forget about all the other kinds of relations and look only at what is made possible by specific material relations. Social value is largely determined by one's degree of wealth, as that translates into more privilege and spending power, more involvement and action in the economy of your society sans Adam Smith. Your assets, your productiveness. Gender ends up being an arbitrary distinction because the nuclear family becomes less and less structured, less and less rigid, a more liberal arrangement made possible by the economic freedoms women can have if they have the merit.

Barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen is an anachronism of the old practice of bourgeois property rights of the husband. A woman's role was to bear children to which the families wealth could be passed. That's about it.

There's something primal about that relationship style, which is why it's a hit for many men. The physical inferiority of the female combined with her sexual allure makes her something of the subject of control, protection and care, for the man. He treats her like his most valued property, etc., and his role becomes the protector and provider. And so on and so on. This model is fast becoming a relic in modern countries that are producing liberally minded female millennials who are capable of creating market value and sustaining financial independence because of this freedom.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:14 pm Polygamy gave way to monogamy

Only in the West.

Actually, not even in the West.

Nowadays, illegitimate children also inherit in the West. Therefore, in inheritance law, there is no longer much of a notion of traditional monogamy.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:14 pm Gender ends up being an arbitrary distinction because the nuclear family becomes less and less structured, less and less rigid, a more liberal arrangement made possible by the economic freedoms women can have if they have the merit.

Feminist women want equality when it suits them but traditional values when it does not. For example, the man is still supposed to pay on dates. Of course, the problem mostly gets solved by not going on dates at all, replacing it by a "Netflix and chill" instead.

The result is a hookup culture in which the 20% most attractive men have casual sex with 80% of the women. There are no more relationships, no more commitment, and very few children get born.

I don't mind that the West wants to go with that. However, I also think that it would be a good thing if the Russian Federation prevented the USA from imposing its hookup culture onto other countries.

Good stuff and some fine insights. You gotta run some numbers tho because who you characterize as the hook-up culture are what I'd think are the millennials just done with highschool. The college aged culture hooks up while schooling cuz that's what you do, but end up settling in a marriage and career after school. Then outta them at least half'll have youngins.

In other words this social meme, the hook-up ideology, is evolutionarily harmless and in no way does it jeopardize the survival of the species. It's a short lived cultural phenomena that effects a very limited age range of people.

And i'ont know about 'fewer people are being born'. Sounds like a googler to me. Last I heard we wuz approaching eight billion.

"the 20% most attractive men have casual sex with 80% of the women."

This can't be true because I haven't gotten laid in a small eternity, and I'm def in that 20% bruh.

"I also think that it would be a good thing if the Russian Federation prevented the USA from imposing its hookup culture onto other countries."

In fact it needs to defederalize and try our United States style for a while... see where it goes. Ideally tho they should dissolve their own government into a network of worker councils who control all the soviet districts, and therefore the country, through a direct democracy. And so on and so on.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:12 pm In other words this social meme, the hook-up ideology, is evolutionarily harmless and in no way does it jeopardize the survival of the species. It's a short lived cultural phenomena that effects a very limited age range of people.

It is difficult to get good data on that. I suspect that it is more widespread and certainly not harmless.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:12 pm And i'ont know about 'fewer people are being born'. Sounds like a googler to me. Last I heard we wuz approaching eight billion.

Approximately every 75 years the population needs to be renewed completely. If that does not happen, we end up with close to zero people at that point.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:12 pm In fact it needs to defederalize and try our United States style for a while... see where it goes. Ideally tho they should dissolve their own government into a network of worker councils who control all the soviet districts, and therefore the country, through a direct democracy. And so on and so on.

I do not believe in democracy. I also do not benefit from democracy.

As a digital nomad / nomad capitalist, I compare countries and choose the country in which I happen to be treated best. In my experience, democracies are amongst the worst choices possible.

- Private life: democracies systematically organize feminist ambushes and attacks on men. It is better to avoid every possible romantic connection with a woman in a democracy.

- Finances: democracies want to personally tax your income at an insane level. I prefer countries that leave my finances and income alone.

Therefore, I avoid democracies like the plague, as they refuse to stay out of my bedroom and out of my wallet.

If democracy were such a fantastic political system then it should be more pleasant to live there at the individual level. Well, in my experience, this is absolutely never the case. As far as I am concerned, the proof is always in the pudding.