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If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

I'm sorry could you repeat the question?

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

What is the point of you?

Let's not do this because we'll end up in a non-terminating derridaean digression of dialectical desideratum.

Define and describe what you mean by 'point'?

Give me examples of what 'points' might be.

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

You are being enchanted by reification. There is no such thing as purpose. 'Purpose' is properly a verb not a noun.

If nobody purposes anything of Jeannie, if nobody means anything by Jeannie, if Jeannie purposes nothing of her own volition, then Jeannie is still a necessary part of the universe and the universe would not be the same without Jeannie.

"the universe would not be the same without Jeannie."

The universe would like to send this one out to Jeannie.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:21 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

What is the point of you?

does there have to be a point of someone?

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:45 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

There is no such thing as purpose.

sure there is, you have a purpose for being here in this site, of which has some sort of value to you, or you wouldn't be here. this site serves some sort of purpose for you, don't it?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:57 pm "the universe would not be the same without Jeannie."

The universe would like to send this one out to Jeannie.

That Grammerly Utube I could not quote it, but I think you imply my message lacked clarity.

By "the universe" I mean everything relates to everything else. So Jeannie, same as you yourself , is a necessary event.

DPMartin wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:43 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:45 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

There is no such thing as purpose.

sure there is, you have a purpose for being here in this site, of which has some sort of value to you, or you wouldn't be here. this site serves some sort of purpose for you, don't it?

I do of course know that 'purpose' is usually used as a noun. English is my native language . Such is English usage that 'purpose' is commonly used as a noun. My point is that when we use 'purpose' in its less common function as a verb the word implies intention which is absent from 'purpose' as a noun..
I and other users purpose that this site be relevant to them. This site, and cyberspace generally, do not exist apart from users. The users of cyberspace
purpose to make order out of chaos.

'Order' itself is commonly used as a noun. Some people deny that order exists apart from minds, others believe order is a man made concept.

Some people deny that 'purpose' exists apart from minds, others believe purpose is a man made concept.

My stance is belief that order is a thing but purpose is not a thing.

DPMartin's original message was

If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

You don't "serve a purpose": you intend or purpose. You may serve another person or a collection of persons such as a business or church or university but you can't serve a purpose.
When the word 'purpose' is used as in the quotation from DPMartin 'purpose' connotes God's purpose or the purpose of the Universe. These connotations ought not to be taken for granted. When these connotations are taken for granted there is anthropomorphism.

Maybe DPMartin purposed their question to be , not ontological, but psychological.
Okay. Yes, we are probably locked into the need to be valued by others. Self esteem is largely dependent on the good opinions of others.

If a person has no need to be valued then that person is a sociopath who may or may not be self aware.

Most us are not sociopaths and we all more or less suffer blows to our self esteem. Such is life. Since we are unwise to place our faith in other people the best guard against loss of self esteem is gaining self awareness (knowing yourself) , and sincerely trying to be good.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 10:28 am

DPMartin wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:43 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 10:45 pm

There is no such thing as purpose.

sure there is, you have a purpose for being here in this site, of which has some sort of value to you, or you wouldn't be here. this site serves some sort of purpose for you, don't it?

I do of course know that 'purpose' is usually used as a noun. English is my native language . Such is English usage that 'purpose' is commonly used as a noun. My point is that when we use 'purpose' in its less common function as a verb the word implies intention which is absent from 'purpose' as a noun..
I and other users purpose that this site be relevant to them. This site, and cyberspace generally, do not exist apart from users. The users of cyberspace
purpose to make order out of chaos.

'Order' itself is commonly used as a noun. Some people deny that order exists apart from minds, others believe order is a man made concept.

Some people deny that 'purpose' exists apart from minds, others believe purpose is a man made concept.

My stance is belief that order is a thing but purpose is not a thing.

DPMartin's original message was

If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

You don't "serve a purpose": you intend or purpose. You may serve another person or a collection of persons such as a business or church or university but you can't serve a purpose.
When the word 'purpose' is used as in the quotation from DPMartin 'purpose' connotes God's purpose or the purpose of the Universe. These connotations ought not to be taken for granted. When these connotations are taken for granted there is anthropomorphism.

Maybe DPMartin purposed their question to be , not ontological, but psychological.
Okay. Yes, we are probably locked into the need to be valued by others. Self esteem is largely dependent on the good opinions of others.

If a person has no need to be valued then that person is a sociopath who may or may not be self aware.

Most us are not sociopaths and we all more or less suffer blows to our self esteem. Such is life. Since we are unwise to place our faith in other people the best guard against loss of self esteem is gaining self awareness (knowing yourself) , and sincerely trying to be good.

to be good for what according to who or what? there's no reason to be "good" unless it serves a purpose, isn't it? and the whole world understands some one or some thing can and does serve a purpose. it seems you just don't like the word serve. its not a sin or evil to serve a purpose.

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

"Are we locked into the need to be valued?"

The parameter, is the mystery matter's socialism to life (the human anatomy) by recognising the end to end frame of life. The walkway, from one end of the hallway to the other end of the hallway, which needs?/has life use it; can the mystery matter be free of having pendulum art be its logic of approval of the system, and just recognise the universal symmetry between matters.

I just passed playing catch up, as a meaning of my abstract ownership of the theme and the singularity construct of the publication.

As for the other realms, of matter; there is the angel war over God's suspension cinema history, in which it is the logical presupposition that angels combined pendulum art of the mystery matter's disposition with the middle of the end to end of the chase sequence (a battle reference) consisting of the mystery matter's aforementioned socialism to life.


The socialism to life middle, of the end to end battle chase sequences of history (in which there's presumably billions of them); did they consist of speech consisting of quantity from absence inversion art, such as the term 'imitating the confusion science' coming from the words loser, twat, or squatter?

Did the speech consist of "algebra to middle class suburban living", or the idea of Evil Evil taking a break from God's sex heartattack via UFO (you f*cked over).

If not, could a logical alternative interpretation/meaning of the angel war be that flower bloom and angel war was an interactive alliance? The context of flower bloom being the outward expanse to ends, ergo the rebellion against the end to end aura theme.

trokanmariel wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 6:56 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

"Are we locked into the need to be valued?"

The parameter, is the mystery matter's socialism to life (the human anatomy) by recognising the end to end frame of life. The walkway, from one end of the hallway to the other end of the hallway, which needs?/has life use it; can the mystery matter be free of having pendulum art be its logic of approval of the system, and just recognise the universal symmetry between matters.

I just passed playing catch up, as a meaning of my abstract ownership of the theme and the singularity construct of the publication.

As for the other realms, of matter; there is the angel war over God's suspension cinema history, in which it is the logical presupposition that angels combined pendulum art of the mystery matter's disposition with the middle of the end to end of the chase sequence (a battle reference) consisting of the mystery matter's aforementioned socialism to life.


The socialism to life middle, of the end to end battle chase sequences of history (in which there's presumably billions of them); did they consist of speech consisting of quantity from absence inversion art, such as the term 'imitating the confusion science' coming from the words loser, twat, or squatter?

Did the speech consist of "algebra to middle class suburban living", or the idea of Evil Evil taking a break from God's sex heartattack via UFO (you f*cked over).

If not, could a logical alternative interpretation/meaning of the angel war be that flower bloom and angel war was an interactive alliance? The context of flower bloom being the outward expanse to ends, ergo the rebellion against the end to end aura theme.

did your parents drop you on your head when you were small?

DPMartin wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 11:39 pm

trokanmariel wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 6:56 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

"Are we locked into the need to be valued?"

The parameter, is the mystery matter's socialism to life (the human anatomy) by recognising the end to end frame of life. The walkway, from one end of the hallway to the other end of the hallway, which needs?/has life use it; can the mystery matter be free of having pendulum art be its logic of approval of the system, and just recognise the universal symmetry between matters.

I just passed playing catch up, as a meaning of my abstract ownership of the theme and the singularity construct of the publication.

As for the other realms, of matter; there is the angel war over God's suspension cinema history, in which it is the logical presupposition that angels combined pendulum art of the mystery matter's disposition with the middle of the end to end of the chase sequence (a battle reference) consisting of the mystery matter's aforementioned socialism to life.


The socialism to life middle, of the end to end battle chase sequences of history (in which there's presumably billions of them); did they consist of speech consisting of quantity from absence inversion art, such as the term 'imitating the confusion science' coming from the words loser, twat, or squatter?

Did the speech consist of "algebra to middle class suburban living", or the idea of Evil Evil taking a break from God's sex heartattack via UFO (you f*cked over).

If not, could a logical alternative interpretation/meaning of the angel war be that flower bloom and angel war was an interactive alliance? The context of flower bloom being the outward expanse to ends, ergo the rebellion against the end to end aura theme.

did your parents drop you on your head when you were small?

I'll expand:

The assembly's dichotomy, includes the psychology aspect, in which text matter consciousness sees visual through 2D, a natural identity combination to apparatus within the head using socialism to slots.

Socialism to slots - it's a personal story arc, admittedly, but it's an exposure dynamic which would hold influence over text matter consciousness being corrupt.


The assembly also includes race to the end, using the mystery nature's socialism to Gods' reliance on text to show their freedom from the following:


The daylight creation, of the sociology content's non-matter outside the invisible but still matter of spirituality to revelation.
The unit to unit analysis logistics, of Earth's TV as metaphor machine being an equal waiting system, to the deity inferiority complex's citation as emotion as dead end as secret unit to unit logistics analysis of 11 New Street's deity residents (Samantha Worzeil, Peek-A-Boo, Mason Dertry and Infinity).


Feeling the tension, during concentration activity themes; is it an equal and equal ally of insects as metaphor safety.

The Earth TV as metaphor machine arc: it occurred to me, lately, that through concentration activity apathy as sound, the idea acts as a right/visual - is this the proof, that the Earth TV as metaphor machine is willing to be a resilience of forgiveness to the 11 New Street deity residents along the lines of the mystery nature's resilience of forgiveness to deity's (the real, abstract deities, such as Peek-A-Boo's business bitch persona) freedom by demonstration of text matter, while at the same time using the body glamour's gravitation to body glamour dimension.

Peek-A-Boo's business bitch persona: presumably, historically, it has been the rationale of war over the socialist use of God's cinema socialism.

Cinema socialism; thematically, it possesses the right to be a predecessor, of any of the following: idea > life,
past > life,
revelation > embodiment

The left-wing transcendence storytelling -
using the demonic tone arbitrariness, created by deities, around Joanne McCaffrey, who went to St Edmunds in Compton from around 2000 to 2007, of the up above listing through the second term life, the transcendence can copy the pre-God formula of Heaven's deceased are computers is already the entire universe map, to stop such activity by Heaven, in order to verify with the mystery nature the following manifestation:

Through the universe's pendulums, of Helen Wood's Big Brother win over Charlotte, to the Hillsborough disaster, and the pendulum of Facebook activity to Hawking astronomy, create the visit to supermarket at weekend emotion over celebrity citation, to enact a person to person writing from sex over global standstill raising hand to sun theme, so that the Steven Taylor/Michael Douglas (1998) version in my mind, currently known as 'exactly Thomas', can overthrow the emotion over citation (a Helen Wood over celebrity citation theme parallel) to dead end logistic, while honouring the socialism to philosophy template, that images in Thomas Heath's mind of heroic representative postures don't have to be free from minding the gap nonsense, to be heroic.


Lastly:
Sunlight.
Level using experience.
Modernity before classic.
Body glamour as the creator of planets.
Helen Wood's dark hair block, during Big Brother
Intervention using waiting
God's cigar case, being fought over for trillions of years, for its cinema socialism
Meditation (Pat Morita's drunkenness, to Ralph Macchio, as a revelation to William Zabka's Cobra Kai-imitation, of spirituality before modern)

It's all deeper, than exactly Thomas's waiting to find out, which is the problem


For Gerald Olin

DPMartin wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 6:29 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 10:28 am

DPMartin wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 7:43 pm

sure there is, you have a purpose for being here in this site, of which has some sort of value to you, or you wouldn't be here. this site serves some sort of purpose for you, don't it?

I do of course know that 'purpose' is usually used as a noun. English is my native language . Such is English usage that 'purpose' is commonly used as a noun. My point is that when we use 'purpose' in its less common function as a verb the word implies intention which is absent from 'purpose' as a noun..
I and other users purpose that this site be relevant to them. This site, and cyberspace generally, do not exist apart from users. The users of cyberspace
purpose to make order out of chaos.

'Order' itself is commonly used as a noun. Some people deny that order exists apart from minds, others believe order is a man made concept.

Some people deny that 'purpose' exists apart from minds, others believe purpose is a man made concept.

My stance is belief that order is a thing but purpose is not a thing.

DPMartin's original message was

If something serves no purpose then its not valued, or valuable. If a person serves no purpose, then is that person of no value? Are we locked into the need to be valued? what if a person had no need to be valued, would that person be free to be at peace with himself and the world around him, even though the world around him may not be at peace with him?

You don't "serve a purpose": you intend or purpose. You may serve another person or a collection of persons such as a business or church or university but you can't serve a purpose.
When the word 'purpose' is used as in the quotation from DPMartin 'purpose' connotes God's purpose or the purpose of the Universe. These connotations ought not to be taken for granted. When these connotations are taken for granted there is anthropomorphism.

Maybe DPMartin purposed their question to be , not ontological, but psychological.
Okay. Yes, we are probably locked into the need to be valued by others. Self esteem is largely dependent on the good opinions of others.

If a person has no need to be valued then that person is a sociopath who may or may not be self aware.

Most us are not sociopaths and we all more or less suffer blows to our self esteem. Such is life. Since we are unwise to place our faith in other people the best guard against loss of self esteem is gaining self awareness (knowing yourself) , and sincerely trying to be good.

to be good for what according to who or what? there's no reason to be "good" unless it serves a purpose, isn't it? and the whole world understands some one or some thing can and does serve a purpose. it seems you just don't like the word serve. its not a sin or evil to serve a purpose.

A person is an end in himself. A person is not the means to an end. Respect the person and don't enslave him for some 'purpose'.

It is evil to serve a purpose , any purpose. You should serve other persons not 'purposes'.

Goodness knows we have ample evidence in living experience of senior churchmen serving a 'purpose' instead of serving vulnerable other people !