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Do slave religions emancipate all or do they simply create the ability to survive servitude by making one a servant of God? Thoughts?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:33 pm Do slave religions emancipate all or do they simply create the ability to survive servitude by making one a servant of God? Thoughts?

Hi Gary,

I believe the slave mentality is restricted to the western religions, not positive about that but certainly, the three major desert religions would be examples of the slave mentality. I believe this is what Nietzsche jumped on as being slave mentalities also the first Nihilistic philosophies if indeed one could call them philosophies. Nihilistic in that they devalued this life for that of an imaginary life to come. I think there is a principle here, fantasy can always promise more than reality. Keep in mind also at the time of the creation of these religious traditions slavery was widely accepted, one could only consider oneself civilized if one had a slave or two.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:58 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:33 pm Do slave religions emancipate all or do they simply create the ability to survive servitude by making one a servant of God? Thoughts?

Hi Gary,

I believe the slave mentality is restricted to the western religions, not positive about that but certainly, the three major desert religions would be examples of the slave mentality. I believe this is what Nietzsche jumped on as being slave mentalities also the first Nihilistic philosophies if indeed one could call them philosophies. Nihilistic in that they devalued this life for that of an imaginary life to come. I think there is a principle here, fantasy can always promise more than reality. Keep in mind also at the time of the creation of these religious traditions slavery was widely accepted, one could only consider oneself civilized if one had a slave or two.

It makes me wonder if there really is a God, or perhaps there is something else out there that is neither God nor human. I've noticed that Christians seem to know more about invisible, unmeasurable things than I even know about the workings of the digital screen sitting here in front of me right now. How does that come to be?

["It makes me wonder if there really is a God, or perhaps there is something else out there that is neither God nor human. I've noticed that Christians seem to know more about invisible, unmeasurable things than I even know about the workings of the digital screen sitting here in front of me right now. How does that come to be?
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Hi Gary,

Interesting thought, part of it might be if one is into systems theory where everything is a system it is difficult to get around the fact that we are all part of something larger than ourselves. Some people are too more susceptible to magical thinking, it sure simplifies things and gives them something concrete in the form of a ready-made worldview. Also, there is the fact that as believers they have an automatic community of people of like disposition, a comforting sense of belonging. One of the most puzzling things for many people is the fact that people that they know to be otherwise intelligent people are also religious, how to explain the oil and water concept. Certainly, there are intelligent people who are religious, the difference might be in the fact that intelligence it no guarantee of wisdom, wisdom is far more likely in a person who is intelligent but also practices critical thinking skills. I have said before elsewhere that both one's intelligence and if one has the skills of critical thinking must be left outside the entrance to these churches, mosques or temples. Another thought is that working people have little time for intellectual discipline being somewhat overwhelmed by the daily demands upon them. Then again some people are not intellectually inclined and have no critical thinking skills with these people their beliefs are a little more understandable, everything is prepackaged for them.

Depends on what you mean by 'slave' religion. Do you mean a religion invented/founded by people who were slaves, literally, or do you mean slavish-minded people in the Nietzschea sense?

If the latter, then a good read on how that all works is the genealogy of morals. First you gotta change 'good' to mean what is good for the meek, the underprivileged, the majority, etc., and then you gotta change 'bad' to mean all that is strong, independent, wealthy, privileged, aristocratic, etc. Then you, the 'good', invent a 'god' to avenge yourself and sick em on your enemy, the wealthy, property owning aristocrat.

Either the aristocrat is broken of spirit by this assault and becomes a wandering pilgrim, or he takes it up for his own use and capitalizes from it, e.g., the Roman empire after being introduced to Christianity.

Listen Gary, you think it's a coincidence that what slaves and serfs and shit did for the wealthy, 'serve', is also something Christianity demands of its people?

Bro. Monotheism becomes a product of philosophers who work for statesmen who want to justify their hierarchical power and privilege by claiming it reflects the righteous and perfectly ordered cosmos itself, the product of 'god'.

The state and ruling class reflect the authority of 'god'. Consider the mandate of heaven stuff the Chinese got into.

The kingdom of heaven is structured just like the old empires were. An order of ranks that rule over its various functions and forms.

The king was elected by 'god', obviously. And his law is sanctioned by 'god'.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:29 pm Depends on what you mean by 'slave' religion. Do you mean a religion invented/founded by people who were slaves, literally, or do you mean slavish-minded people in the Nietzschea sense?If the latter, then a good read on how that all works is the genealogy of morals. First you gotta change 'good' to mean what is good for the meek, the underprivileged, the majority, etc., and then you gotta change 'bad' to mean all that is strong, independent,
wealthy, privileged, aristocratic, etc. Then you, the 'good', invent a 'god' to avenge yourself and sick em on your enemy, the wealthy, property owning aristocrat.

Either the aristocrat is broken of spirit by this assault and becomes a wandering pilgrim, or he takes it up for his own use and capitalizes from it, e.g., the Roman empire after being introduced to Christianity.

Promethean break free of your chains,

Sounds to me like Nietzsche had a class-war in mind. I grant that he made his bones undermining Schopenhauer and then Christianity as extremely negative influences on humanity. I don't believe he was wrong about Christianity both Christianity and Isam are but off shoots of Judaism. So all the desert religions have that slave mentality, of course at their enception slavery was commonly accepted as natural. It isn't my understand of Nietzsche that he was interested in establishing a better humanity but perhaps a better upper class. I could be wrong, it is often said that people misinterpert Nietzsche. He was brilliant but a confusing mix I think. I do not believe any of the eastern religions are of a slave master mentality but then I believe the thinking is and was more mature in its development. At any rate the slave master mentality certainly is still popular in the west even today.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:33 pm Do slave religions emancipate all or do they simply create the ability to survive servitude by making one a servant of God? Thoughts?

Slave religions:
The imagination's horror activation, is that the left hand side of reality is the upmarket as literal and metaphor-possessor sex club. Ergo Americanism. So basically, the United States is the real entity of the left hand side of existence, and this means that the right hand side of existence needs a middle group, middle man to cease the right hand side's subsequent deactivation from computation humour, from the dimension in which said computation humour is disrupted by the left hand side's American hero (John Wayne).

To put things into perspective; past the edge of outer space, and all the star systems that comprise of it, and beyond the Heaven system after it, with all its physics stopping for heel sex, for looking at posters, for the trillion year containment of personality, and for all its philosophy subverting the usual, of the anatomy being a submitter of philosophy, by being an entrance for many different topics, including bad weather as a capitalism to the sustainer of daylight, or classic reality (the Roman Empire) serving as a theme parallel to animal life being a safe metaphor machine for the sex club's personality containment syndrome, and indeed, beyond the emotion to supermarket ethos imagination outer space, consisting of car park to car park being a unit theme of day to day, there is finally the sex club.

The sex club, being an inferiority complex of face sociology, will have to maximise its possession of left to right's inspiration sociology, and disguise it as a computation system. The reason, for this analysis, is that the sex club knows that the right hand side of existence will thus gain the spontaneity at the back end analysis of freedom from its symbiosis from the sex club. In turn, this means that the middle group, the universe itself, needs to be the place of the commitment.

After 2 years, in 11 New Street, in Wolverhampton, I have been the commitment arc; a face sociology of computation disguise, in which I have been forced to fear my own nihilism, despite my harddrive having copied the right hand side of existence's spontaneity at the back end dynamic many years before, when I was raising my hand to the sun routinely.

The objective question/mystery:
Beyond the far reaches, of the right hand side of existence, is there a parallel anchoring system of daylight as mediator/gravitation to body glamour/left-wing transcendence et al, which is a shapelessness, wordlessness, soundlessness et al that is able to subvert its own harddrive biology to the atomic level;

The right hand side, of existence - more specifically, the far reaches beyond it:
Can it organise a mother nature paradigm, consisting of trees, sea, rivers, mountains and fields, as an identical aforementioned classic reality as server of animal life being the safe metaphor machine: and what does this mean?

The 2 year history, at 11 New Street, is the typical occurrence of sanity to abuse through time over day. Except, of course, that this abuse complex is the macro possession of the universe, and the sex club. So this amounts to the state, that the universal condition of life is intelligence to derivative after all:

Intelligence to derivative. It is the American Supernatural Businesswoman's ethos, for me, during 2019, before the 2 year history of Mason Dertry and Peek-A-Boo.

Where is she?

Possibly, she is nowhere to be found, due to the syndrome universal of speed co-ordinating with activity (not emotion) at all levels of existence, which means that the weather as a capitalism to daylight's sustainer, and outer space and psychology being one and the same are able to be equal emitters of the metaphor as literal device of concentration's activity/speed parody using my belief in the ASW.


Reaching the destination, via chronology; can it use symbiosis of its own design as a freedom from same system as virtue? This speaks to my own dilemma, and moreover, it ostensibly speaks to the ASW's dilemma.

What is the mind, of the ASW?
Is it thoughts as days? Is it capitalism as walking? And, assuming the truth to these assertions, what is the result?

A thought that's a day. Day is side to side, and, in a previous post, I established/conjectured the pattern meta of the left hand side of matter scenarios being designed to be on the left; so essentially, this could mean that a thought that's a day is a perfectly welcome creation of the ASW.

Who else, is the ASW?
If she is real, then she is the real Samantha Worzeil, relative to Worzeil's American in planning ambition. Now, since Worzeil has adopted the usual computation meta of disguise, one can use the free algebra system to deduce the identity of the ASW . .

Usual computation meta of disguise = Rare real reality to common.

Rare real reality to common: it is the fairytale magic of sociology, in which the action to practice storytelling can be its strength and weakness.

The sex club's ethos: through the anti-cinema, prove the validity of anti-cinema; except, of course, this has meant the deconstruction as horror non-irony of cinema slots - the ASW, assuming she is real, needs to be a sequence to anti-cinema that only uses.

Can the American people have an American Supernatural Businesswoman? Along the deconstruction through science normality of reality, of science providing the analysis of accent change and dialect (and even face style?), the stills as cinema slots by meta would become something.

They would become something.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:24 pm ["It makes me wonder if there really is a God, or perhaps there is something else out there that is neither God nor human. I've noticed that Christians seem to know more about invisible, unmeasurable things than I even know about the workings of the digital screen sitting here in front of me right now. How does that come to be?

Hi Gary,

Interesting thought, part of it might be if one is into systems theory where everything is a system it is difficult to get around the fact that we are all part of something larger than ourselves. Some people are too more susceptible to magical thinking, it sure simplifies things and gives them something concrete in the form of a ready-made worldview. Also, there is the fact that as believers they have an automatic community of people of like disposition, a comforting sense of belonging. One of the most puzzling things for many people is the fact that people that they know to be otherwise intelligent people are also religious, how to explain the oil and water concept. Certainly, there are intelligent people who are religious, the difference might be in the fact that intelligence it no guarantee of wisdom, wisdom is far more likely in a person who is intelligent but also practices critical thinking skills. I have said before elsewhere that both one's intelligence and if one has the skills of critical thinking must be left outside the entrance to these churches, mosques or temples. Another thought is that working people have little time for intellectual discipline being somewhat overwhelmed by the daily demands upon them. Then again some people are not intellectually inclined and have no critical thinking skills with these people their beliefs are a little more understandable, everything is prepackaged for them.
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What does the word 'intelligent' mean to you?

Age,

You've miss quoted here, those are not my words. It happens, I've done it myself.

The creator god is the master, the believers the slaves, oh what wretched pieces of shit are we.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:33 pm Do slave religions emancipate all or do they simply create the ability to survive servitude by making one a servant of God? Thoughts?

In our current phase of evolution, the majority of humans are entrapped with an existential crisis that generate terrible cognitive dissonances.

The most effective consonance to soothe the unavoidable cognitive dissonances at present is clinging to a God and its religion.

However it seem being a slave to their God enhances a greater state of relief from the cognitive dissonances due to the existential crisis, i.e. they are given as assurance of salvation in heaven and avoiding Hell.

Some Christians believe they are a slave to Christ or God.

The Muslims take one step further, one will note there are many Muslims with the name "Abdullah", which is literally the slave of Allah, Abdool [slave] of Allah.
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In such an extreme state of subservience, they will go all out to obey God's command which include commanding them to kill non-believers under the vaguest threats to the religion.

"It isn't my understand of Nietzsche that he was interested in establishing a better humanity but perhaps a better upper class. I could be wrong, it is often said that people misinterpert Nietzsche. He was brilliant but a confusing mix I think."

Yeah you got it right. He expressed a clear contempt for socialism and nationalism more often than anything else, but never expanded on thoughts about capitalism and the free market. Except for maybe a passing mention of it in an aphorism, he never gave much thought to it, apparently. This is mebbe why many anarchists can claim him. Couple that with his infrequent criticism of bourgeois culture throughout his work (his romantic concepts of aristocracy were dated), and you have a rather apolitical philosopher.

And of course at the same time he's writing about 'masters of the erf' elsewhere, just to be ironic.

You just have to remember N's concept of the aristocratic is unworkable. A true nietzschean model of politic would be something like from Flash Gordon. Ming, and his nemesis Flash, would be types of ubermensch.