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With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

Aren't you just pissed because life is about as dumb without thinking as it is with thinking? Both are "complete" moments just the way they are, doesn't matter whether we add something or not, get off your high horse.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:03 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

Aren't you just pissed because life is about as dumb without thinking as it is with thinking? Both are "complete" moments just the way they are, doesn't matter whether we add something or not, get off your high horse.

Thank you for making my point.

There is every moment being single, thus complete, but, at the same time, there is waiting for criticism, and its hierarchy of application.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

The purpose of speech is to change something. People who don't want to change anything have nothing to say.

You are saying that you have less and less to say. But you are still saying it. Why?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:44 pm The purpose of speech is to change something. People who don't want to change anything have nothing to say.

Nothing to say is quite an assumption.

More like:

The purpose of speech is to change something.
People who don’t speak have no need to change something.
People who don’t move have no need to change something.
Hunger is but one cause for movement that causes change (a complex chain of movements required to eat.)

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pmWhat more needs to be added?

Whatever provides energy but not too much to corrupt form or capacity of naturally designed functions ... to disadvantage.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:03 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

Aren't you just pissed because life is about as dumb without thinking as it is with thinking? Both are "complete" moments just the way they are, doesn't matter whether we add something or not, get off your high horse.

Thank you for making my point.

No problem, although it would be nice to know what your point is.

Is it a version of Buddhism where we meditate ourselves into a plant-like state, and convince ourselves (we intellectualize, heh) that that's a good thing?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:44 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all. Consider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Is reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Talk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

The purpose of speech is to change something. People who don't want to change anything have nothing to say.

You are saying that you have less and less to say. But you are still saying it. Why?

I didn't say I have nothing to say [although I really don't]. I just enjoy conversing with folks who can think a bit outside the box while not taking everything personally.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:08 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pmWhat more needs to be added?

Whatever provides energy but not too much to corrupt form or capacity of naturally designed functions ... to disadvantage.

Seems to this observer that Reality can take care of itself.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:19 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:51 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:03 pm
Aren't you just pissed because life is about as dumb without thinking as it is with thinking? Both are "complete" moments just the way they are, doesn't matter whether we add something or not, get off your high horse.

Thank you for making my point.

No problem, although it would be nice to know what your point is.

Is it a version of Buddhism where we meditate ourselves into a plant-like state, and convince ourselves (we intellectualize, heh) that that's a good thing?

I am attempting to have a conversation with somebody who can get there ideas across without stating them in obvious form AND who is able to take their ego out of at least one thought once in a while.

Most of the people who post here act like grade school children engaged in verbal fisticuffs on the playground.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:29 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:19 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:51 pm
Thank you for making my point.

No problem, although it would be nice to know what your point is.

Is it a version of Buddhism where we meditate ourselves into a plant-like state, and convince ourselves (we intellectualize, heh) that that's a good thing?

I am attempting to have a conversation with somebody who can get there ideas across without stating them in obvious form AND who is able to take their ego out of at least one thought once in a while.

Most of the people who post here act like grade school children engaged in verbal fisticuffs on the playground.

But your ego and verbal fisticuffs seem to be tied to your idea which goes something like this: simplicity = truth? That doesn't make a lick of sense imo, yes the simplest explanations are most often the correct ones. Yes mistaking the conceptual reality for reality is bad, and overthinking is also bad. But always sticking to "simplicity", we would still live in caves probably. One could say the biggest "gift" of being human, is the ability to think, being able to come up with massive, complex conceptual views. So what's your point?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:47 pmBut your ego and verbal fisticuffs seem to be tied to your idea which goes something like this: simplicity = truth? That doesn't make a lick of sense imo, yes the simplest explanations are most often the correct ones. Yes mistaking the conceptual reality for reality is bad, and overthinking is also bad. But always sticking to "simplicity", we would still live in caves probably. One could say the biggest "gift" of being human, is the ability to think, being able to come up with massive, complex conceptual views. So what's your point?

As far as, "Simplicity is Truth," is concerned, I can help you out there.

Truth cannot be accessed through the human intellect for many reasons we have all discussed previously. If you accept such a proposition, then I believe the following will make sense to you.

Absolute simplicity is The Void. This is where Absolute Truth lies. Although we cannot understand The Truth, we can be in its presence. And the best we can do it perceive it [incorporating our human filters and being subject to things such as physical reality, e.g., time-lag, etc.], it being better than the alternative which is creating our own truth [intellectually] which is a complete and utter distortion of Reality.

What people call the truth is so far from any sense of truth that it's kind of a joke even entertaining such a nation. This is why it has been said a million different ways, but it's not what you know that's important, instead, what you know that you can never know that means everything.

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:37 pm As far as, "Simplicity is Truth," is concerned, I can help you out there.

Truth cannot be accessed through the human intellect for many reasons we have all discussed previously. If you accept such a proposition, then I believe the following will make sense to you.

Absolute simplicity is The Void. This is where Absolute Truth lies. Although we cannot understand The Truth, we can be in its presence. And the best we can do it perceive it [incorporating our human filters and being subject to things such as physical reality, e.g., time-lag, etc.], it being better than the alternative which is creating our own truth [intellectually] which is a complete and utter distortion of Reality.

What people call the truth is so far from any sense of truth that it's kind of a joke even entertaining such a nation. This is why it has been said a million different ways, but it's not what you know that's important, instead, what you know that you can never know that means everything.

? Void is nothing, simplicity and Truth are something. These are mutually exclusive.
You can't be in the presence of nothing.

Getting "Truth" from nothing looks like a Buddhist psychosis to me. An intellectually created psychosis, how ironic is that?

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pm With time, I find that I have less and less to say [in general]. I know why this is the case and often wonder why I contribute anything at all.

We KNOW WHY you find that you have less and less to say. This is because you do NOT 'know' absolutely ANY thing at all, correct?

And, if this is correct, then OF COURSE there is NO purpose at all in just saying things that one has NO way of knowing (in) ANY WAY.

So, there is NO wonder why you find you have less and less to say.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pmConsider the following...

...many might agree that each and every moment is complete, just the way it is. What more needs to be added?

Certainly NOT this question that you just ADDED.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pmIs reality not enough for most folks who feel compelled to add an addendum to all that transpires?

Did you HAVE TO ADD this question?

Did you feel 'compelled' to?

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 pmTalk about the arrogance of a species that would hardly find itself in the top ten primates!

Talk about the ONLY 'creature' that has the ABILITY to learn, understand, and reason, absolutely ANY and EVERY 'thing', and then one of those 'creatures' then "reasoning out" that they can absolutely NEVER 'know' ANY 'thing' AT ALL and that ALL of 'them' should NOT be talking about what 'it' is EXACTLY that they are continually learning, understanding, and reasoning'. And, let us also talk about how this 'one' actually BELIEVES, SO MUCH, that NONE of these 'creatures' of that 'species' can KNOW ANY 'thing' that it continually TELLS US 'this' as though it is some KNOWN Truth. While ALSO TELLING US that we should NOT 'add' ANY thing more to what that 'one' KEEPS, literally, SAYING.